Freedom Just Wont Quit

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I cannot let this historic event go without a prayer and an acknowledgment of courage. Iraq has an election, and even though as many as 36 people died by Terrorist attack, still they vote. They vote even as the bodies are removed from the line; asking the polling place not be closed. They vote, and early reports suggest more turned out than have turned out for any US Presidential race in history.

I want to acknowledge the human heart, the bravery, the 'can do' attitude.

It won't quit. The students in front of the Tanks in China will be remembered forever, even though they did not get freedom. They will, someday. Is effort for freedom ever in vain?

It has been an exciting run, my life, born in 56 and watching the Berlin Wall fall, the internet, and now new Democracies fighting to emerge and stand on their own.


That is all. No discussion of troop strength, lies, or food for oil. I'm calling a spade a spade, and brave men and women wherever they be are seen clearly regardless of religion, uniform, Country of birth and the language they speak.



munk
 
I sincerely hope it works out for them too. But given all the acrimony lately I kind of question whether such a post is wise. :confused:
 
I'm so proud of the human species right now; look at them trying for freedom. Well done, Iraq. This event will be a part of history books and I just wanted to say; well done.




munk
 
I've been giving this one some thought.

You know what I think munk? I think the real impact of today's election won't be known for many years. After all...the french revolution is the definitive turning point in history for our (the US's) liberties. How long has it taken for that effect to really show itself? I'm certain that some guy named Jaques or Pierre or Bob died doing that too. The individual is lost, but Freedom lives. Thank God.

Hollow - you raise a good point. I am equally certain that someone back then in france said the same and stayed home that day. His descendents enjoy the benefits of Freedom anyway. That's the real beauty of it...

So, as with the french revolution...I wonder what the effect of todays work will bring in 200 years?

Peace to you both...
 
Good thread. I was just thinking that same thing this morning, Munk. I couldn't agree more. Amid a stream of bad news, such things can renew one's faith in humanity.

Nam
 
Thanks for starting this thread, Munk. The Iraqi voters have my awe and respect.

Bob
 
munk said:
I'm so proud of the human species right now; look at them trying for freedom. Well done, Iraq. This event will be a part of history books and I just wanted to say; well done.

munk
Hear, Hear Munk!!!! Great post! Today another Liberty Bell has indeed been rang for FREEDOM! And the fact that the Iraqi people are begging to keep the polls open and even more importantly that they are still lining up to vote even as the bodies are being dragged away tells what lives in the human spirit.
Some people try to negate FREEDOM of everything and the fact that you can make such a post here is the proof that there is still FREEDOM here in the Cantina/Psycho Ward as it sometimes becomes.
We've always had such FREEDOM here and it is the legacy that Uncle Bill has provided for us. May FREEDOM live on in the hearts of men everywhere for all time!
 
A touching and emotional event for me, too. Something truly positive in a world so seemingly full of the worst that can come out of people. I celebrate their move towards freedom, admire their bravery and remember all those, of any nationality, who sacrificed their lives and loved ones for this process to get this far.
 
VML said:
A touching and emotional event for me, too. Something truly positive in a world so seemingly full of the worst that can come out of people. I celebrate their move towards freedom, admire their bravery and remember all those, of any nationality, who sacrificed their lives and loved ones for this process to get this far.
Very well said VML, very well said indeed!!!! :cool:
 
I don't know how this will turn out, but I don't get joy out of reading about Americans dying in Iraq. I find it depressing, knowing people who are over there in uniform. I'd rather see them back home with their families.

I am not being argumentative here, but I can see a stronger case for Americans trying to help start elections in Burma, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and the list goes on and on.

If freedom really comes to Iraq, then we should see the growth of tolerance, justice, a fair legal system and the end of torture and killing.

It will take some time to know if we are seeing the birth of freedom, or of another despotic state.

I hope that you are right Munk.

I have know many Iranians in the U.S. They are here because you don't live in Iran if you like to drink, dance, talk to women who aren't relatives in a public place, or listen to American music. You can't live there if you are not a Shiite. A friend of mine visited Iran a few years ago and wanted to live there. The religious police were searching cars - and searched his cab - looking for American "evil" music."

It is the same in Iraq right now.
 
Arty,
Today we are celebrating the historical event of people fighting for their freedom. There's time for the other concerns another day. Today, these people represent the very best.

I keep thinking of the ink stains on their fingers, and how a Terrorist can take his time and get anyone he wants on the 'Voted' list. These folks have guts.




munk
 
Great post, Munk. And Nasty has a good point.

I bet the implications of this in the future will be tremendous. This is a major event to happen in the mideast.. a democratic election! I'm amazed and happy.
 
That is all. No discussion of troop strength, lies, or food for oil. I'm calling a spade a spade, and brave men and women wherever they be are seen clearly regardless of religion, uniform, Country of birth and the language they speak.





munk
 
Saw an Iraqi man on a news show (don't remenber which one now) that said "A brave man only dies once. A coward dies 50 times. I will only die once. I will vote." He was probably 65 years old. Smart man, I think.
 
They could have stayed home.
They must not have wanted to do that anymore.





munk
 
"Freedom" is factual. "Total freedom" is a myth. Even Usenet, which has no rules, has conventions that must be followed - to ignore them won't get you banned but it will get you killfiled, mailbombed, netcopped, LARTed, and more.

Imagine how things change in a forum where there are rules.

If you're in someone's house and they say, "Make yourself at home...the only thing I ask is that you don't antagonize my other guests," and you antagonize the other guests, what do you expect will happen? They will ask you to leave. Right now, you and I are in someone else's house. We must play by their rules...after all, it is their house, not ours. Nor is it the city park, the Library of Congress, or international waters. We must abide by their rules and we agreed to abide by their rules when we generated our accounts.

If indeed a moderator removed your reply (and I believe that that is what happened) they were doing it for your conveniance, not theirs - basically, overlooking a transgression and fixing it so that it never happened. By calling them out you're forcing the issue. I would not do this to a host that overlooked my mistakes. You may wish to reconsider your position on this.

Our freedoms on this forum are not freedoms. They are priveledges. You and I have no right to be here.

On a seperate note, truth is relative and bringing up Jesus was in rather poor taste. I'm not personally offended by it but I'm quite sure that some others will be.
 
Well done, Satori.
Well done.

It isn't neccesary to have any point of view, to understand going to the voting booth today in Iraq took courage.



munk

edit- hey Satori, ever hear of shadow boxing? Who'd a thunk?
 
munk said:
It isn't neccesary to have any point of view, to understand going to the voting booth today in Iraq took courage.

Driving through rush hour traffic takes courage. Going to vote for the first time in who knows how long, with armed people about and explosions in the distance, takes balls. Plain and simple. The fact that so many are doing it speaks volumes about the Iraqi people.

Edit: shadow boxing? Do tell.
 
You think there were tears in their eyes. too?


Shadow boxing...isn't that training by doing certain punches while reacting to your own shadow, literally? An opponent who isn't there.


munk
 
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