From carry-on to eBay: The journey of airport security booty

How telling, the article erroneously claims that these confiscated contraband items are illegal, that is not true, their just banned from carry on bags during flight. The article then goes on to admit the items are merely banned after stating earlier their illegal. More telling is the TSA employee quoted as just saying "just give up the items". Yea, america just hand over your dangerous swiss army key chain knife, and leatherman multi tool to the govt so they can sell it and take more of your hard earned money.

Classic. Don't you slaves understand? Give up your stuff were just trying to keep you safe, and the article concludes with an admission of TSA that seizing these items isn't really going to stop a terrorist attack, really? Then why say earlier just give them up. Very good look into how "these big govt types" think about knives, corksrews, multi-tools and the people who carry them".

Were doomed.
 
MikeC said:
Were doomed.
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No, we're not. Join the NRA, Knife Rights and the AKTI. These organizations and others have been, and still are, making great strides to curb this this type of intrusion. Get a dog in this race and place some bets on him ;).
 
SOLEIL said:
No, we're not. Join the NRA, Knife Rights and the AKTI. These organizations and others have been, and still are, making great strides to curb this this type of intrusion. Get a dog in this race and place some bets on him ;).
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+1 on that! :thumbup:
 
MikeC said:
How telling, the article erroneously claims that these confiscated contraband items are illegal, that is not true, their just banned from carry on bags during flight. The article then goes on to admit the items are merely banned after stating earlier their illegal. More telling is the TSA employee quoted as just saying "just give up the items". Yea, america just hand over your dangerous swiss army key chain knife, and leatherman multi tool to the govt so they can sell it and take more of your hard earned money.

Classic. Don't you slaves understand? Give up your stuff were just trying to keep you safe, and the article concludes with an admission of TSA that seizing these items isn't really going to stop a terrorist attack, really? Then why say earlier just give them up. Very good look into how "these big govt types" think about knives, corksrews, multi-tools and the people who carry them".

Were doomed.
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I wasn't going to read the article since I knew I'd be furious after finishing. I think you highlighted the enraging parts for me.
Federalizing the screeners was a great idea huh?:mad:

"people willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both"
 
SOLEIL said:
No, we're not. Join the NRA, Knife Rights and the AKTI. These organizations and others have been, and still are, making great strides to curb this this type of intrusion. Get a dog in this race and place some bets on him ;).
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get a freaking pack of African Hyenas is more like it. ;)
 
I am a member of the NRA, so is my Dad. Both of our memberships are paid up for like the next six years. I stay on top of this stuff but I'm telling you the stupids are getting harder to fight. The ignorance is rampant and has run amuck, its like the video of the child caught in a burning car and the two off duty firefighters asking for passers by to see if someone had a pocket knife. While all around nobody could think let alone fin for themselves all they could do is scream for someone to help them as the tools they needed to survive and escape burning to death have been deemed as dangerous weapons by sweeping numbers of our society including many members of our legislative and judicial branches. We have reached critical mass with this political correct crap to the point where its getting people hurt and killed this is foolishness and sophistry of the highest order and I just refuse to tolerate any longer.

Consider this with everything else that is going on right now, WERE DOOMED.

Sorry didn't mean to hijack this post and take it off topic. Just callin it the way I see it from here, but its hard to see real good because the gun slats on the pill box are pretty narrow.
 
It would be nice if they managed to treated people with some respect, but they do give you the option of going back to the ticketing counter and check in your stuff. Too bad they treat you like a dog in the process. And unfortunately, they suck up all your time in the airport by making you stand in long lines, so by the time you get to security you're all stressed out and have no time to go back to the ticketing area. So you just loose your knife or nose hair scissors or what ever.

I like the line in the article about lighters being banned prior to 2007 but they dropped that so officers (rental officers) could concentrate on more dangerous items. Which begs the question, who is making up the rules here and why are they so arbitrary?
 
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I fly with guns, knives, ammo, you name it, on a regular basis. I never have a problem, because I follow the rules. None of this stuff is "banned," certainly none of it is "illegal." You just need to spend two minutes making sure you jump through all the right hoops; it can save you half an hour or more at the airport.

A lot of the prejudice in this article comes from CNN, which is notoriously anti-everything, and not the government itself.

Don't run around screaming "we're doomed" when it's really not the case at all.
 
I dont understand why people can figure out they need to put items in the checked bags or mail it to where they are going.
 
I've also never run afoul of such laws because when I travel, I don't assume anything is permitted. One comedian said he saw a federal agent declare his pistol a few years ago, then have his nailclippers confiscated. He wondered how the man could carry a gun, but not be trusted with the nailclippers. It was just a snafu in the law. It was based in regulations, not reason.
 
This isn't really what bugs me. Just don't take that stuff, or check it in with your bags. I've flown with guns and ammo; you just have to follow the rules.

What really bugs me, is all the "lost" and "unclaimed" luggage that turns up for sale at places like this: http://www.unclaimedbaggage.com/
 
some of you guys just don't get it. There are two main threats airlines have to deal with; bombs, and hijack attempts. Bombs are primarily a baggage screening problem. Between bomb sniffing dogs, x-ray machines, and hand searches ought to take care of that.
Second, hijack attempts will no longer be successful by threatening passenger with having a bomb on board. United flight 93 took care of that. So what the primary threat in a hijack attempt is one or more hijackers with bladed weapons or handguns.
Two scenarios - first; the airlines miss the hijackers weapons, but ensure that all the good guys are without means to defend themselves. This situation is very likely to end badly.
Second scenario - Passengers with CCW's are allowed to carry firearms on planes, everybody else can carry scissors and pocket knives. People carrying weapons are not identified to the crew or to each other. Now, a highjacker or highjackers have a tactical problem they can't solve, which is that there are an unknown number of passengers carrying firearms may be on board and no one knows which passengers are armed and which are not,and the passengers are able to protect themselves and targets on the ground.
Airport security doesn't keep people safe. It makes stupid people feel safe, so they'll buy airline tickets. For the government, the current system teaches people to shut up and do what they're told.
CCW holders are finger printed, background-checked, and trained as to how to shoot and when and when not to shoot. Also, when you shoot a gun in a movie airplane, it suffers catastrophic decompression. In real airliners, not so much. And American citizen get to act like citizens, not like sheep in a pen.
 
Samael said:
I fly with guns, knives, ammo, you name it, on a regular basis. I never have a problem, because I follow the rules. None of this stuff is "banned," certainly none of it is "illegal." You just need to spend two minutes making sure you jump through all the right hoops; it can save you half an hour or more at the airport.

A lot of the prejudice in this article comes from CNN, which is notoriously anti-everything, and not the government itself.

Don't run around screaming "we're doomed" when it's really not the case at all.
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Good point, you also have the choice to not spent your money on a plane ticket. Not always an easy choice, but a choice never the less.

I often get tired of hearing people going "I payed for this with MY money, so I SHOULD be able to do this or that !!"
No, you should not, you should know just what you are spending you money on, and if you don't like what people are selling, you should not buy it.
 
I don't live in America, but airport security can be gotten around very easily.

I once brought back a CCC knife on the plane; I forgot to stick it in my check-in luggage, so I stuffed it into my shoe.

Set off the detector, got a pat down, walked in. Admittedly this was China's airport...
 
I buy the group lots of used SAK Classics, clean them up, and give them to my non-knife carrying friends, and sometimes to Scouts in my Pack here (with parental permission, of course.) I'm amazed by how many of these things get confiscated.

My biggest issue with TSA is the fact that we keep hearing about personal belongings being stolen from locked luggage, and the only possible suspects are TSA people. They're not all bad, I'm sure, but if even one person can take one thing out of luggage, they can put something in. :mad:

thx - cpr
 
+1 on Fudo's post. The TSA is not making anyone safe. They are making people learn to be submissive. I am amazed at the number of folks on a board like this one that have acheived total submission to the TSA Nazis. On Sept. 11 everyone did exactly what the FAA had been preaching for many years, just give in to their demands and you'll all be okay. How long do you think it would take to get this situation changed if everybody stopped going along with it?
 
I can't get over those freaks who tried to take a KITCHEN SINK on board in hand luggage!!Hand luggage??Mind you it could be a dangerous weapon of mass destruction.....
And that knobhead carrying a couple of gallons of petrol on board, er....it's for my Zippo it drinks fuel.

It's sad to lose a favourite knife alright, but doesn't EVERYBODY know that you can't take them on flights?? Maybe reading and awareness skills are not what they used to be...
 
drail said:
+1 on Fudo's post. The TSA is not making anyone safe. They are making people learn to be submissive. I am amazed at the number of folks on a board like this one that have acheived total submission to the TSA Nazis. On Sept. 11 everyone did exactly what the FAA had been preaching for many years, just give in to their demands and you'll all be okay. How long do you think it would take to get this situation changed if everybody stopped going along with it?
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So what do suggest we do about it?
 
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