Full flat chisel ground H1?

All good info. From a performance point of view, chisel grinds have advantages, mostly in food prep, and disadvantages. From a sales/marketing point of view, they are more difficult to sell in that you have to "sell" it. You have to convince the customer of the advantages. We've done it in the past, but the market is very small.

sal
 
Dr Heelhook said:
Ok thanks, that's nice to know at least. There are of course downsides to a chisel ground blade, but it still kinda sounds like the best option for a home made knife project, should one ever get a hold of a nice piece of H1 (however big the chance is of that happening). That double simultaneous hollow grind method that Spyderco uses sounds a bit complicated to use outside of a factory.
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H-1 can be flat ground, and you can do a V-grind as well. It just has to be done slowly, alternating sides to keep the work hardening even, which takes too long for a production line. Tom Krein has put full flat grinds on several Salt series Spyderco knives for various people, as have other knifemakers. I don't think any of those makers have claimed they could crank out a hundred blades a day, though.
 
I have come to the conclusion that the Spyderco serrated edge IS a chisel ground. I wish I realized this sooner.
 
Sal, I'm new here (on these forums), but not to the knife world. I think it's great that an industry insider, in an industry this large, talks to his customer base. That being said... After using a Spyderco Salt for some years now, with the knife doing such an exemplary job, why have no other tools been made of this steel? Or, alloy, to be precise. I mean, it's amazing! What a multi-tool it would make! I'm sure you know how many fishermen there are in the U.S. alone, and the fact that we spend around 30 billion a year on our hobby. So, pliers made out of H1, or a simple multi-tool for fishermen out of H1. It couldn't lose. Partner with a company that has all the tooling in place, throw in that beautiful iconic blade we all love, and get ready to start filling back-orders.
 
Hi KnifeWhisperer,

Welcome to the Spyderco forum and thanx for chimin' in.

Glad you like H1. It is an interesting material. We're working on other ways to use it, but working the material is very difficult so at this time, there are many limitations. eg: If you start to drill a hole in H1, about 40-50 thou in, the bit starts to smoke because the steel gets too hard for the bit. Another problem is the high cost. We made up a diving shear from H1, and the cost was prohibitive. We're still looking, but it's not as easy as it might appear. Normal tooling isn't as effective as we'd like. We're starting to work with it in the Golden factory to make an Auto for the Coast Guard, so we'll learn a bit more about it over the next year or soi.

sal
 
KW- In the meantime, get a pair of SS pliers. They work just fine and they're easier on the wallet.
 
"Chisel ground" knives are the least useful in general AND are associated most with a company known for an unlikable leader and ripping off (Steeling) the designs of others.
 
Chisel grind knives go way back. They excel at what they are designed to do.
 
Lycosa said:
KW- In the meantime, get a pair of SS pliers. They work just fine and they're easier on the wallet.
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I have both SS, and some VanStall pliers. My main idea I was trying to get across is a true multi-tool that was made of H1 with a Spyderco blade would on every anglers must have list. Both my current pliers have carbide cutting blades that must be replaced every season.
It was great to hear what Sal had to say, and I look forward to what they come up with in the future.
 
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