full ivory ban in the USA

Legalize and tax the hell out if it. Then it will have a limited market.
 
Definately better if they were weaponized. I agree fully that the game wardens are too few, too spread out and too out gunned. They are incredible and work hard doing a task the frequently are shot at with very poor weaponry to fight back. I support providing modern arms and training to the game wardens, including armed drones, and even a bounty system. For each poacher scalp brought in with proof of poaching 1 extra months pay. For each live poacher brought in with proof of poaching and extra weeks pay. (Yes, I prefer dead to alive for poachers.)

As far as the ban. The US is pretty small potatoes in ivory useage. Until China, Russia and a lot of Middle Eastern countries start banning as well. the market will continue to be very strong, so destroying captured ivory is a useless waste.

In the managed herds they should do what they do with rhinos. horns. Surgically remove the tusk so no ivory, no reason to kill for poaching and the rhinos don't miss em much. Elephants do not NEED tusks in a managed herd so...
 
I would like to think HUMANS have evolved past the need for slaughtering animals for their ivory or fur. We have superior materials that outlast and outperform both. Those who insists that managed herds are the answer, I ask you only to look at puppy mills and rethink your position. It wouldn't be long before the preserves are turned into overcrowded farms with inbreeding purely for profit.

The US is not the biggest buyer so what difference would it make? Is that saying it's okay to support poaching, just a little?

I wouldn't even mind the ivory trade if elephants were harvested for food, like cows. Slaughtering them just you can have something shiny and pretty, reminds me of the mentality of a little girl.
 
RajinCagin, Perhaps any little girls you are considering are reflecting your own viewpoints? As a little girl I never would have considering slaughtering something for it's horn. In fact unicorns ect were beautiful fantasies and no I didn't long for a unicorn horn brush or some such garbage. I preferred the whole unicorn alive warm and beautiful.

As to my point about the managed herds. I did not say those were the only place to have elephants but we do manage many herds now and none of them for profit. So my point of de-tusking the ones in those herds to make them useless to poachers still stands as not refuted by you. Secondly my point about US being small potatoes is ALSO not refuted because I never said support poaching at all. I said kill poachers when you identify them. BUT if you rely on a ban to eliminate the market then until China, Russian and the middle east also ban then it WON'T WORK.

So. sorry if it seems like I am a bit annoyed but since you didn't actually get any of my arguments right and implied little girls would kill an animal to make a pretty brush you ticked me off.
 
Banning anything will only drive the price up and make it even more lucrative. Ivory, guns, marijuana, don't matter.

Sadly we need to manage lots of animals too many humans around since we didn't manage ourselves.

Just need an effective way to hunt poachers. With good funding and few rules perhaps supported by the business's that benefit from the animals, safari guides both gun and camera, tourist trade in general and the locals.
 
Are you running for president anytime soon mister? You got my vote! Over here we got a bounty on wild boar. Bring in tails and get $5 each! Wonder how much a poacher head is worth? Shrunken poacher head? Get er done!
Bawanna said:
Banning anything will only drive the price up and make it even more lucrative. Ivory, guns, marijuana, don't matter.

Sadly we need to manage lots of animals too many humans around since we didn't manage ourselves.

Just need an effective way to hunt poachers. With good funding and few rules perhaps supported by the business's that benefit from the animals, safari guides both gun and camera, tourist trade in general and the locals.
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If these tusk are so important in Asian medicine then why are they perfectly willing to drive them into extinction and leave their own children without this wonder "medicine". Must be important stuff to them if they are willing to pay so much for it and compromise the health of their own childrens future. Sounds like the root of the problem is the end user. If you compare this to some other "commodities" in such great demand like we have on the US Mexico border then will a "war on poachers" alone really work? Cant grow Elephants and Mountain gorillas for harvest several times a year and legalize their harvest like you can some plants? Or can you? There are some parallels here and we know some wars just dont work as long is the demand for the product (renewable or not) is so great. For this reason education and public awareness seem like an effective weapon on the end user and lead and bloodhounds and whatever means necessary to prevent extinction would be necessary at the source. One without the other may never work. Hard to say what the real answer is but it does show how little we know about human psychology and how well we learn from history. Carrier pigeon comes to mind. Not the first and not the last.
 
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