Fulloflead's Great Rust Experiment!

fulloflead · Dec 11, 2002

Originally posted by Emanuel
fulloflead,

Isn't it great how we're all giving you homework?
Now go to your room and conduct those tests young man.

That's OK. I get a lot of questions answered on this forum. Just doing my part. I'm actually getting a lot of ideas.

Look for a sequal after I pick up a few more products and some distilled water.

rev_jch · Dec 11, 2002

how about trying it against tuf-glide??

Big D1 · Dec 11, 2002

fulloflead, I have never really paid that much attention to see how long it takes for the teflon to settle to the bottom. I do know after a bottle of Breakfree has sit for a long period of time a regular shaking will not get all the teflon off the bottom of container. I am not insinuating that it had an effect on your test. I am just merely mentioning that Breakfree definitely needs to be shaken...not stirred!!!

Ok, I have about 1.5 ounces Of Breakfree in a clear bottle. It has been sitting for a few days, and it had approximately 1/8 inch of teflon in the bottom of the bottle maybe more. I shook it up exactly at 11:30 and by 11:40 there was approximately 1/16 of an inch of teflon on the bottom of the container. At that rate, it should not take long for most of the teflon to settle to the bottom of the bottle.

Somebody correct me if I am wrong. From my serious lack of memory, the Nitro CLP that is marketed by Remington is was the current CLP used by the military. It's a synthetic lubricant, and I know for a fact that it does not have anything in it that settles to the bottom like Breakfree. I have a bottle that has been sitting for over a year and nothing has settled to the bottom in it yet. I am going to use it sooner or later. I have two bottles of Breakfree that I need to use up before I start on the Nitro. The Nitro does dry to the touch after 24 hours without losing any lubricating properties, or so it says on the bottle. I would definitely like to see Nitro used as a test subject on your next experiment. Big D1

DaveH · Dec 11, 2002

Here's a weird thought, if you take parafine and disolve it in some solvent of somekind, and paint it on a blade, wouldn't it be a great rust protector?

Do some commercially available products do that?

Big D1 · Dec 11, 2002

To any that are interested. Read these two articles about rust prevention experiments.
http://communities.prodigy.net/sportsrec/gz-rust.html
http://www.boeshield.com/article.htm

About that Eezox. I bought some of it, and it stinks to high heaven. I can tolerate some awful smelling stuff, but the Eezox really irritated my nose enough to dispose of it. It went directly in the ole trash can with a cuss word or two. Big D1

TheBadGuy · Dec 11, 2002

Originally posted by Big D1
Somebody correct me if I am wrong. From my serious lack of memory, the Nitro CLP that is marketed by Remington is was the current CLP used by the military. Big D1

They actually used BreakFree at every Armory I worked out of. But they may have switched over since January of last year.

Big D1 · Dec 11, 2002

TheBadGuy, thank you for shedding some light on the Nitro and Breakfree. The Nitro is mil spec, but I cannot remember the classification number. Maybe the Nitro is only used for certain weapons? I cannot, for the life of me, remember where I read all the information about the Nitro CLP. It's been a couple of years ago that I came across the information about the CLP. I even surfed the website of the manufacturer of the Nitro CLP. Somebody help me out here...please. Big D1

frank k · Dec 11, 2002

I found a "Material Safety Data Sheet" PDF for Remington's Nitro CLP in a quick search. Lists it as Mil-L-63460, which I beleive is the same as the current milspec Breakfree CLP.

http://www.remington.com/pdfs/msds/NitroCLP.pdf

I also turned up this from Ed Harris -

http://yarchive.net/gun/long_term_storage.html

-Frank

Big D1 · Dec 11, 2002

frank k, thanks a lot. From my understanding there are at least two types of CLP. The Nitro is made by Royal Lubricants and the other CLP is made by Breakfree. The Royal CLP(Remington Nitro) used to be on their website, but I cannot find it now.

For anybody that is interested in Breakfree CLP in detail, read this article that I came across a while back.
http://www.shotgunreport.com/Articles/BreakFree.html Big D1

Medic1210 · Dec 11, 2002

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Originally posted by frank k
The part of the nails above the water rusted much more quickly than the part in the water, and the water of some of the samples would turn rust color faster than others.

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Interesting. I might have to modify my test next time.

Rust is nothing more than oxidation on the metal, so I would imagine that the more oxygen that is available, ie: out of water, the quicker the rusting would occur.

Great test FoL. I look forward to further ones.

Originally Posted by Emanuel

I read that the active ingredient in Tufglide is food-grade Mineral oil.

I believe the Mineral Spirits (not Mineral Oil) is just a medium for the lubricant. The actual lubricant is a dry lube that is left behind once the Mineral Spirits evaporates. The Mineral Spirits have no effect on the lubrication or rust inhibition.

Mike

frank k · Dec 11, 2002

Originally posted by Medic1210
Rust is nothing more than oxidation on the metal, so I would imagine that the more oxygen that is available, ie: out of water, the quicker the rusting would occur.

Great test FoL. I look forward to further ones.

Yup.

Big D1,

Thanks for the link.

Here's another test:

http://www.accuratereloading.com/rustest.html

-Frank

rev_jch · Dec 11, 2002

Thats right Frank! we were issued it (break free aka clp) in the AF for our m-16s.