Fun at the Firing Range

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruger_MK_III

Take your pick.

Oh yes, if you have time look for .22 CB Caps and/or Aguila .22 Colibri 20 grains no GUNPOWDER - a lot MORE quiet than .22 longs - and there is a .22 bullet Outers use to make bullet stop - backstop.

Now you have a quiet gun range for ...

You name it!;)
 
So, what's a good .22 for a 14-year old, and his petite mother to start out with? I have grave doubts that mom will actually go to the range, but she says she wants to...

I second the suggestion of a Ruger Mark 3. If the 14 year old and mom are complete beginners, I would also consider t a .22 revolver to start, rather than a autoloader. They are easier to clear on the range, a double action revolver trigger teaches good control, a cocking and firing SA produces good accuracy results.

You could also consider a ruger single action .22 -- that is easiest mechanism to understand of all and a great starting point. I believe you could get a Ruger SA new model single six with interchangeable .22 LR and .22 WMR cylinders as well. .22 WMR is a great, higher powered plinker for beginners -- fun to shoot lemons etc. In stainless it would low maintenance..
 
That's a good point, bammann. Revolvers are great teaching tools. Once, an instructor (who was my girlfriend's relative and former Olympic shooter for Thailand) did a great drill with me on the range. We were firing .38 revolvers, and she would load in a single round at a time. She'd then have me spin the cylinder, ala Russian Roulette, aim at the target, and try to fire. Sometimes it went BANG, and sometimes it didn't. When it didn't, it was very informative because my hand would frequently jerk when I anticipated the shot. There I'd be standing, and I would flinch when it clicked on an empty chamber. Pretty soon, I wasn't flinching any more and when it did go BOOM, my groups were much better. Very good teaching aid indeed.

Chris
 
We DO have some feral lemons that need taking down a bit.

The WMR round sounds interesting. I'd never heard of it before.
 
So, what's a good .22 for a 14-year old, and his petite mother to start out with? I have grave doubts that mom will actually go to the range, but she says she wants to...

There are lots of good .22 pistols but I am rather fond of the Ruger as well.:thumbup: :D
And Aardvark if mom does show an interest in the range and might want a nice little rifle some day, Browning makes a nice little light rifle coming in about 5 pounds and is a virtual tack driver! They are a little spendy with a $550.00 MSRP price tag but can no doubt be found cheaper. One of my past father-i-laws had one he bought new that I continuously drooled over and loved to shoot.:o :) The little thing was like an extension of my arm and has been the only .22 rifle I couldn't miss with although I would need a scope today.;)

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As usual, you guys are costing me money.

Marking down another vote for the Ruger...
 
That's a good point, bammann. Revolvers are great teaching tools. Once, an instructor (who was my girlfriend's relative and former Olympic shooter for Thailand) did a great drill with me on the range. We were firing .38 revolvers, and she would load in a single round at a time. She'd then have me spin the cylinder, ala Russian Roulette, aim at the target, and try to fire. Sometimes it went BANG, and sometimes it didn't. When it didn't, it was very informative because my hand would frequently jerk when I anticipated the shot. There I'd be standing, and I would flinch when it clicked on an empty chamber. Pretty soon, I wasn't flinching any more and when it did go BOOM, my groups were much better. Very good teaching aid indeed.

Chris

:) I have done that very drill for beginners, as it was done for me by my rifle coach in highschool when we would plink with revolvers outside. I like to load up my colt python 1,2 or 3 light .38s and 3 empty chambers, then let the person have at it...
 
I almost forgot to add, I would strongly advise you to get a .22 as your first pistol or revolver -- master the basics with it first before moving up
to centerfire -- its very easy to develop bad habits in marksmenship with a larger caliber first handgun.
What does it mean exactly to "master the basics?" I also have a 22/45, my first firearm. I can hit center of mass consistently, but I am unable to place all my shots in a single ragged hole. Should I stick to Ruger before I move up to my Kimber .45?
 
What does it mean exactly to "master the basics?" I also have a 22/45, my first firearm. I can hit center of mass consistently, but I am unable to place all my shots in a single ragged hole. Should I stick to Ruger before I move up to my Kimber .45?

First question I would ask is how far away is the target? I'd also say starting on traditional bulls and keeping a log of your score with 10 shots is a better way to track progress over time then shooting tactical targets.

That being said, I am sure we could have a long conversation about what constitutes the basics of pistol marksmanship :) IMHO, when I teach people to shoot, I consider the "basic portion" over when:

1. They shoot safely, particularly with excellent skills in muzzle control/awareness, clearing and rendering the pistol safe, inspecting/clearing it before handing it to someone, and inspecting/clearing it again when its handed back. They also treat the safety as a mechanical device which can fail.

Just about every clerk at every gun store and every hobby shooter I've ever met fails the above.

2. They shoot with both eyes open with minimum flinch... i.e. no big stage blink every time they fire. This is where .22 practice and dry firing at a safe backstop at home come into play.

3. They can shoot groups consistently at 50 feet with a two handed grip that I can cover with the palm of my hand. This assumes they are shooting an accurate revolver or pistol in good working order... This is an ideal goal and not everyone gets there, but with practice every beginner can do 4 inch groups at 50 feet -- or about the 7 ring on a 50 ft target...

4. They understand and can apply (maybe not all at the same time :) )

sight alignment, hold control, breath control, trigger control and follow through on each shot.

What is sad is that at every public range I go to, there are about 3 out of 20 people who can actually do the above.

5. I can move them to one handed NRA style target shooting
and they can keep all the shots on the paper.

Some people might chime in and say for defensive pistol, you just need to master out to 21 feet, that 1 handed shooting is irrelevant etc etc etc. Whenever I hear these arguments at the range, I lose interest, because it is usually some flinching yahoo who can't hit the broad side of a barn but loves to unload into silhouette targets at 7 paces...

As for you question above, try mixing the Kimber in. Warm up with some .22 then go to the .45. If you find yourself flinching or all over the paper, do some dry firing and shoot some more .22. Its really not about shooting X's at the beginning, its about achieving consistent groupings every time, then trying to shrink your groups down.
 
The range I go to has 15-yard and 25-yard targets. I shoot 5.5" Shoot-N-C bullseye targets at the 15-yard distance because I know I can't hit consistently and accurately at 25.

At this point I shoot mostly .22s. I know that the wisest course is probably to stick with the .22, but I can't help it, I just love shooting the 1911. Still, I don't shoot the .45 very often. I warm up with my 22/45, then mix in three or four magazines of .45, then finish up my session with the Ruger.

I know I need to work on breathing, trigger control, and maintaining sight picture. But I figure that I have a whole lifetime to master shooting. As long as I'm learning and getting better, I'm happy. Wish I could find someone at the range to teach me though.
 
The range I go to has 15-yard and 25-yard targets. I shoot 5.5" Shoot-N-C bullseye targets at the 15-yard distance because I know I can't hit consistently and accurately at 25.

At this point I shoot mostly .22s. I know that the wisest course is probably to stick with the .22, but I can't help it, I just love shooting the 1911. Still, I don't shoot the .45 very often. I warm up with my 22/45, then mix in three or four magazines of .45, then finish up my session with the Ruger.

I know I need to work on breathing, trigger control, and maintaining sight picture. But I figure that I have a whole lifetime to master shooting. As long as I'm learning and getting better, I'm happy. Wish I could find someone at the range to teach me though.

Sounds like you are doing great. Keep in mind that it is also about making some noise and having fun! Mix in some more .45.. if you notice your accuracy suffering then ease off and shoot some more .22. I can't overemphasize the value of dry firing at home. And I understand the call of the .45ACP -- hence the 45 in my handle. Nothing makes quite the same satisfying boom and has the same sweet rolling recoil. Give some thought to getting a nice 4" barreled .357 as your next purchase... A revolver is a great training tool and .38s are cheap to shoot...
 
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