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I didn't look for the bte on the HDMC but just from Nathan's opening post it sounds like more weight behind a thinner grind ...

I doubt many will notice in real life use difference but I guess for anyone that may not consider more weight pushing a thinner grind might be slight more likely to roll or take a bit of damage.
 
Thanks, Could you explain the Major differences please

I was getting to that. Had to stagger in from the shop.

The MC, HDMC (HC) and the BC2 all share the same primary grind angle and shallow S grind but are different thicknesses. This is geometry that evolved from our experience in knife racing events. It offers a deep bite with minimal binding and can pop a chip while also sailing through softer targets without pushing them over.

The HC spine and primary grinds are thick and will tolerate extreme abuse. It is also sharpened 22 DPS. I'm channeling my inner Busse. You knuckle draggers can beat on it without concern.

The MC is a replacement for the LC, which was getting dinged up by knuckle heads. It is a moderate thickness everywhere and built for practical carry and to cut well. It is sharpened 20 DPS. It isn't a fragile knife, but it isn't overbuilt either. It is a practical, reliable, well built tool that represents our interpretation of a middle-of-the-road general purpose large knife/chopper.

The original BC had more obtuse primaries with a thinner BTE. It was a big damn knife and it still makes me giddy to swing it. It's the only knife to go onto KOD twice. The combination of cutting performance, durability and edge retention made it (in my opinion) the best knife on that show. However it is just a knife, not a sword.

The new BC2 has the same grind angles as the MC, CC and HC. Like the LC and the MC, it is sharpened 20 DPS. The grind thickness falls between the MC and the HC but that doesn't mean its durability falls between them. It is intended to be like the MC. A moderate thickness everywhere. But with a 20% longer blade length and the considerable heft from that length, the thicker stock and wider blade, that thicker primary will only deliver equivalent durability. The narrower grinds but thicker BTE compared to the original BC can be thought of as rotating those grinds in around a point just behind the edge. This results in less steel in the cut overall but thicker right at the edge so even though the BTE measures thicker it shouldn't be thought of as "thicker" because it will measure thinner 1/4" up into the grind. It weighs more and has narrower grinds and is a very effective cutter. So, even though it shares some dimensions with the HC, it isn't overbuilt. I gave it a reasonable balance of high performance cutting and durability. I've taken what I've learned from the competition choppers and applied it to the 12" Behemoth.
 
I was getting to that. Had to stagger in from the shop.

The MC, HDMC (HC) and the BC2 all share the same primary grind angle and shallow S grind but are different thicknesses. This is geometry that evolved from our experience in knife racing events. It offers a deep bite with minimal binding and can pop a chip while also sailing through softer targets without pushing them over.

The HC spine and primary grinds are thick and will tolerate extreme abuse. It is also sharpened 22 DPS. I'm channeling my inner Busse. You knuckle draggers can beat on it without concern.

The MC is a replacement for the LC, which was getting dinged up by knuckle heads. It is a moderate thickness everywhere and built for practical carry and to cut well. It is sharpened 20 DPS. It isn't a fragile knife, but it isn't overbuilt either. It is a practical, reliable, well built tool that represents our interpretation of a middle-of-the-road general purpose large knife/chopper.

The original BC had more obtuse primaries with a thinner BTE. It was a big damn knife and it still makes me giddy to swing it. It's the only knife to go onto KOD twice. The combination of cutting performance, durability and edge retention made it (in my opinion) the best knife on that show. However it is just a knife, not a sword.

The new BC2 has the same grind angles as the MC, CC and HC. Like the LC and the MC, it is sharpened 20 DPS. The grind thickness falls between the MC and the HC but that doesn't mean its durability falls between them. It is intended to be like the MC. A moderate thickness everywhere. But with a 20% longer blade length and the considerable heft from that length, the thicker stock and wider blade, that thicker primary will only deliver equivalent durability. The narrower grinds but thicker BTE compared to the original BC can be thought of as rotating those grinds in around a point just behind the edge. This results in less steel in the cut overall but thicker right at the edge so even though the BTE measures thicker it shouldn't be thought of as "thicker" because it will measure thinner 1/4" up into the grind. It weighs more and has narrower grinds and is a very effective cutter. So, even though it shares some dimensions with the HC, it isn't overbuilt. I gave it a reasonable balance of high performance cutting and durability. I've taken what I've learned from the competition choppers and applied it to the 12" Behemoth.

I think I understood (most) of that ... and just in using the MC and HDMC ... I find the MC more then enough to do anything I need and plenty tough ...

but I also found that for batoning and splitting wood ... the slightly thicker HDMC and 22 dps does not bind it pops wood open quite a bit more than the MC ...

I can't say I've done any formal testing to prove it ... but just from what I've used them ... that is the noticable difference I've found in use.
 
I was getting to that. Had to stagger in from the shop.

The MC, HDMC (HC) and the BC2 all share the same primary grind angle and shallow S grind but are different thicknesses. This is geometry that evolved from our experience in knife racing events. It offers a deep bite with minimal binding and can pop a chip while also sailing through softer targets without pushing them over.

The HC spine and primary grinds are thick and will tolerate extreme abuse. It is also sharpened 22 DPS. I'm channeling my inner Busse. You knuckle draggers can beat on it without concern.

The MC is a replacement for the LC, which was getting dinged up by knuckle heads. It is a moderate thickness everywhere and built for practical carry and to cut well. It is sharpened 20 DPS. It isn't a fragile knife, but it isn't overbuilt either. It is a practical, reliable, well built tool that represents our interpretation of a middle-of-the-road general purpose large knife/chopper.

The original BC had more obtuse primaries with a thinner BTE. It was a big damn knife and it still makes me giddy to swing it. It's the only knife to go onto KOD twice. The combination of cutting performance, durability and edge retention made it (in my opinion) the best knife on that show. However it is just a knife, not a sword.

The new BC2 has the same grind angles as the MC, CC and HC. Like the LC and the MC, it is sharpened 20 DPS. The grind thickness falls between the MC and the HC but that doesn't mean its durability falls between them. It is intended to be like the MC. A moderate thickness everywhere. But with a 20% longer blade length and the considerable heft from that length, the thicker stock and wider blade, that thicker primary will only deliver equivalent durability. The narrower grinds but thicker BTE compared to the original BC can be thought of as rotating those grinds in around a point just behind the edge. This results in less steel in the cut overall but thicker right at the edge so even though the BTE measures thicker it shouldn't be thought of as "thicker" because it will measure thinner 1/4" up into the grind. It weighs more and has narrower grinds and is a very effective cutter. So, even though it shares some dimensions with the HC, it isn't overbuilt. I gave it a reasonable balance of high performance cutting and durability. I've taken what I've learned from the competition choppers and applied it to the 12" Behemoth.
All this reading just made me SO MUCH more excited to receive the Behemother!
I think I understood (most) of that ... and just in using the MC and HDMC ... I find the MC more then enough to do anything I need and plenty tough ...

but I also found that for batoning and splitting wood ... the slightly thicker HDMC and 22 dps does not bind it pops wood open quite a bit more than the MC ...

I can't say I've done any formal testing to prove it ... but just from what I've used them ... that is the noticable difference I've found in use.
I just finished a 3 week review with a HDFK, HDMC, BC and Busse.. just gotta put it all together with my mediocre editing skills o_O but I did some fun, and lots of practical tests
 
I just finished a 3 week review with a HDFK, HDMC, BC and Busse.. just gotta put it all together with my mediocre editing skills o_O but I did some fun, and lots of practical tests

life has been kind of hectic and crazy so I haven't gotten to compare a lot yet ... and I'm not big for writing reviews ... but I try to share my experience if I have anything that I think might be useful ...

but I enjoy reading how people like different blades and their experiences.
 
Am I following this correctly ? In saying the HC is the HDMC ? I know or think I know lol. There was a short run of an HC knife. Then there was the preorder which gave us the MC and MC with HD option = HDMC. So are the numbers close between HC and HDMC as to Dps and grind ?
Just curious after reading Nathan’s post above.

That Behemoth sounds awesome !!! And different enough that I will want one :-) But I think it’s my HDMC that will see use :-) just love this knife !
 
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