Further to the Calendar Knife..some provenance?

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The other thread now has too much baggage.
I will post photos on this thread when I receive <unless I find its made of plastic>
I still find this knife intrigueing.
The seller <who has an impeccable history in selling collectables and memorabilia> when advising me he has sent it Global Priority, has provided the following information unsolicited by me but rather welcome.
'This knife is Special I purchased it over a decade ago at an exclusive high profile Beverley Hills Estate sale and the original owner had 3 old knives only and was not a collector, and I bought them all although I do not deal in knives.'
Of course this does not give me conclusive or perhaps any provenance, I am however pleased he did not put this in the text of the Ebay sale. A 'switcharooey' could have been perpetrated on the estate sale owner and it may be an old switcharooey however not being a knife collector this person may have been just as happy using an Italian knife rather than a S/Cut.Co.. I agree the Alligator case fits more with an Italian knife than a S/ Cut.Co as well. The whole statement might indeed be baloney although you would expect the listing would have been pumped up with it if it was so.
May well be a fake...rather ironic if it's not! Hoo Roo.
 
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Larry, i've bought a few knives i was taking a big chance on. most went low because others knew what i didn't. but a couple were great scores based on a little knowledge and a lotta luck. but it's fun, esp. the weeks waiting for knife to arrive.
you're havin fun ! that's what knife collecting is all about, regardless of what the knife is. Right On !! roland
 
Let's not ignore provenance!
"The GURU on the other forum gave good, and correct, information. His style is informative, backed by REAL information personally researched over long years of experience, and love for the knives of Schrade! I find his style biting, but humorous, and refreshing! The knife in question is a hoax. If you are going to collect older Schrades as I do, you won't find someone who knows more about them than LT!"
 
May be an elaborate hoax Charlie but someone has gone to considerable trouble years ago to fool this seller. He has just reiterated that he has had it for 12 years and has never shown it to any knife person since purchasing it at the Beverley Hill Estate Sale and would like to hear back from me any history on this knife I can find out after I receive it. He mainly deals in Estate watches and coins. He has 3,300 positives over past 9 years on Ebay and I see one of his items recently went for US$1850 with a glowing feedback....not the typical profile of an Ebay hoaxster I would have thought......of course this does not give any greater provenance to the knife prior to his original purchase and may well be an older 'changling' knife.....or a SFO in the late 30's for a multi millionaire film mogul with a total production of one because they used 24Kt gold...spent its life locked in a safe and never before revealed to the world because of its absolute rarity/value/star status........you're all probably right its a fake of a fake Italian Latama Calendar knife from the 40's............At least I alone get to find out??? Almost worth the money I paid just to find out and if its the Real Deal I might not tell anyone either!.....Hoo Roo
 
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I'd like to see what Bernard Levine, given his experience, would think about this knife, given accurate pictures. "Read the knife, not the story." Maybe the Ebay pictures don't provide enough clues. You are right Larry, you bid the most, you get to make your own determination. Best of luck on your new knife.
 
Well, if you are true to your word Larry, you will prevent the knife from continuing in the market "if" it is not the real deal. A tidbit of history; knife counterfeiting was rampant in the 70s-80s, and continues today, especially in the eastern half of the U.S.A. There are some great collections that house a fake or two. They get discovered over time. I had one for nearly 10 years before I discovered it. I believe there is a knife book, with a Counterfeit Bowie unknowingly displayed on the cover.
 
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Larry, re: your 2nd post. i agree and like your style of collecting. if you're sure about every knife you buy, you miss some of the excitement factor.
whatever this knife is, it is unique; and may still have some pleasant surprises for you. fun ! roland
 
Even if its a Hybrid with real S/CUT.CO. blades from an alternative genuine knife from the era it remains an example of "a" Calendar knife from 60/70 years ago and almost attains legitimacy in its own right! <I am part Irish>...bit like the Irishman's axe that was genuinely 150 years old....it had only had the head replaced 5 times and the handle 6 times in 150 years....in other words it's probably a better example of the knife than most will ever see.I will keep it separate from my genuine 3OT and 2OT's etc as I'm certain they wouldn't wish to communicate with an illigitimate IMHO.............Hoo Roo



P.S. I imagine Mr Levine would be less scathing in his critique of this knife as he is gentlemanly enough to remove his boots before he kicks you!
 
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P.S. I imagine Mr Levine would be less scathing in his critique of this knife as he is gentlemanly enough to remove his boots before he kicks you!
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Maybe, but he doesn't always have his toenails trimmed. :D
 
Say, I just want to come out and apologize if I inadvertently caused that major blowup on this and the previous thread. I hadn't seen the original thread before it was de-spammed, but assumed , judging by the 20 hour comment, that the calendar knife was the one that was mentioned. I contacted Larry to let him know that if in fact this was the knife being bid on, that there were some questions regarding it's legitimacy and pointed him to the other forum. On top of that I was the one who asked LT for his opinion on the knife after the auction close, so if anyone's to blame for all this, I am.
I've been debating for a couple of days whether to post this and risk blowing things up AGAIN, but I wanted to try to clear things up a bit. Hopefully I haven't made it worse.

Eric
 
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... bit like the Irishman's axe that was genuinely 150 years old....it had only had the head replaced 5 times and the handle 6 times in 150 years ...
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I've got one of those. :)

This is the axe my grandfather made:
my father replaced the handle
and I replaced the blade.
 
Eric, your posts are always polite, most considerate and helpful. i believe in this instance nothing incorrect has occurred, and true to form, you were polite, considerate and helpful. and we all got to learn about the existence of a most unusual "Schrade" that most of us never knew of. thanks, roland
 
Eric, you did what you thought was right! Everyone knows you as a man of considerate integrity. YOU would not bite the hand that feeds you, I am sure. LT was the only one around here who had the information needed to make an intelligent decision, and you did your best to let bidders know.
 
Agreed, and my post that only hinted at LT's information was not a good move. The information was likely already of knowledge to most people who have participated in this thread anyway. In retrospect, given the circumstances, I should have just left that particular knife alone in the this sub-forum, before or after the auction finished. My bad guys. Sorry I dipped a few of you in hot grease. I'm out.
 
All your points taken and I did thank Eric in the other thread long ago.....to each his own..too many hidden agendas for me...
I dont think I have ever seen a knife where there will be so much angst and agitation if its actually GENUINE. You can all have a snigger/giggle in due course when I post it on Schrades R Us <If Larry wants me to> .
It could make a great first entry for Codger's Schrade Counterfeit Section for his new book when it is produced..it might even beat the other production at this stage....Hoo Roo
 
The pendulum of authenticity might have swung a tad my way.Completed Ebay #280237819767 is the other knife sold by my seller originally purchased by him at the same Beverly Hill Estate Sale where he purchased the Calendar knife years ago. It is EKA Sweden with purse/wallet case from similar time frame as the calendar knife if genuine......and there is similar old gold leaf monogram on the purse as the calendar knife,embossed in the old fashion way.Owned by the same original owner? Seller offers me money back if not satisfied, and he has just sold over US$8000 in the last 5 or 6 items on Ebay with glowing feedback including on the EKA knife "being better than expected"......I can see this Calendar knife going on Mr Levines' forum for real expert confirmation or otherwise.......at least I can be certain he did not bid on the knife during the auction.....................kinda glad not many did really..........may not even be me that got caught...........and I can return it for refund ....but dont think I will..........Hoo Roo
 
Larry, so the excitement continues. i think a post in BRL is a great idea. from that forum i have learned that old EKA knives are valuable and have been subect to counterfeiting. however that does not sway this knife's potential status. looking forward to final conclusion here, roland
 
Thanks Roland...you may be excommunicated if you're seen talking to me mate......
I find it astonishing that I am one of the few who could not care less if this does not turn out to be the real deal....there has not been a single post by me where I have expressed regret/angst/disappointment...all those feelings have been expressed by others who were far too intelligent/knowledgeable to bid....or were they?......I never even asked for a single persons help/thoughts since I placed my first bid whilst the auction was CURRENT.....I gather its all been offered gratis and uncalled for, out of concern for my financial welfare which I am fortunate enough not to have to worry about at this stage in my life.....I bought a knife,and I will check it out when I receive it as I have with the last 1500 Schrades..some turned out to be better than I expected and some less...all part of my Schrade learning experience..much like most of us I expect......and now some have the temerity to suggest I am never allowed to "continue it in the market" in the future....really?.....I'm a former Bank Manager over 20 years here in Oz and feel I have a grasp of honesty and integrity and equally BullS....when its presented to me....I really like all you guys and gals on this forum and my posts can attest for that..however I dont give one bit of nanny goats crappy if I am loved in return so long as I am fair by everyone on this great forum and I am here to learn and contribute......Hoo Roo
 
I for one have enjoyed your input and pictures. I have'nt been on the forums long, but i enjoy the hell out of collecting Schrades,and the joy is hunting and findingand waiting, and wether your knife is authentic or not really does'nt matter ,it is certainly unique,so enjoy it and laugh at those who are all so serious,happy collecting. G.M
 
Larry,

I want to echo Grey's comment, "I for one have enjoyed your input and pictures."

The way I see it is it your knife purchase. Thus, "My dog ain't in this fight." so it's no business of mine.

Have a great day.

Jackie
 
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