G-10 v. Zytel

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Both materials are great for use with knives. Cold Steel recently began using G-10 on their Recon-1s. It's a laminate that works only on knives with liners, but is very inexpensive and yet, it has all the protective plusses of Zytel. Zytel also is inexpensive, but can be molded and is very tough. Knives using it usually don't need liners.

Zytel makes knives light; G-10 just makes them feel great. What are your preferences?
 
Zytel has it's place but I prefer G-10. I think Zytel is slippery, even when textured. G-10 also has a "warmer" feel. I do happen to like Zytel on the BM Griptilian, however. As everything in life, it's all relative.

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I pretty much can't stand Zytel or any FRN. I know it's great, but it's not for me. G-10 any day.
 
Well, I like Zytel for light (read LIGHT) knives.

For knives like my Gerber Bolt-Action (circa mid 80's) and my U2, it's great. These are light knives for light duty.

I prefer G10 for more heavy use.

I really like linen or canvas Micarta (or Rucarta).
 
Confederate said:
Cold Steel recently began using G-10 on their Recon-1s. It's a laminate that works only on knives with liners
I dunno, G-10 is used on the Military with a single embedded liner that is not even a full liner. If A.G. Russell can make micarta knives without liners I'm sure there could be G-10 knives without liners. It's pretty strong stuff.
 
TorzJohnson said:
I dunno, G-10 is used on the Military with a single embedded liner that is not even a full liner. If A.G. Russell can make micarta knives without liners I'm sure there could be G-10 knives without liners. It's pretty strong stuff.

I EDC a Spyderco Military. It is tough as a
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It's strong, no doubt, but it tends to lay on top of what it protects and grips very well. Zytel can be cast, and when used on Voyagers and other similar knives without liners, are fairly indestructible. It's one reason that liners are somewhat redundant in that the strength already is there.

As long as G10 has something you can tack it to, it's great. But alone it's not enough. I do like the Spyderco Endura. I just wish Spyderco would build their blades longer.
 
G-10 is not only for knives without liners. Just look at the Spyderco Dodo, and probably many others. G-10 is more resistant to chemicals, more resistant to heat, and better feeling than zytel/FRN in my opinion.
 
Eh, its a laminate. Personally I prefer wood, but if my choices are G10 or Zytel I'd go with G10 every time because of its perception in the knife world as a "premium" product. That would help with resale over zytel.
 
I actually don't like any of them.
I don't like plastic (zytel, frn, g10) at all. It tends to be almost everywhere around so I don't see any reason why to get it on the folder too.
 
In theory I don't mind Frn/zytal much that I don't have any knives made in this material. The bulk of my knives are g-10 including G-10 native linerless That I would put head to head against a frn native any day.
 
A liner is not needed for G10.

I love Zytel. It is tough, cheap, light and feels great in my hand.

G10 is great too, usually put on knives I can not afford. ALso G10 with liners makes a knife pretty heavy.

The lightness of Zytel is under-rated. I always have a delica even if I am carrying another knife. You can't even notice it is there.
 
Confederate said:
As long as G10 has something you can tack it to, it's great. But alone it's not enough.
You seem to be quite sure about that. But I'll just keep using my flimsy, weak, un-rigid Military... :)
 
Confederate said:
What are your preferences?
Depends on what I carry a particular knife for. For light weight, zytel can't be beat. For toughness, G-10 is about as tough as it gets in a synthetic. For ergonomics, zytel can be molded into any shape you like; both can have a good non-slip texture, but in G-10 it's more work. But for looks, G-10 has a wood-like grain that zytel doesn't. Etc. etc. etc...

Didn't this topic come up just recently? Lemme look....

Oh, right, just last month: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=403959

"Here's the scoop...

Zytel, as was pointed out, is a trade name for the material commonly known as FRN, which stands for "fiber reinforced nylon". Nylon itself is extremely resilient and tough, but somewhat soft. FRN has fibers (usually glass) mixed in while the nylon is in a liquid state; when cooled and hardened, the fibers are aligned randomly throughout the nylon matrix, adding significant stiffness.

G-10 is made very differently: woven fiberglas fabric is stacked in layers, saturated in a liquid phenolic, and baked under pressure until the phenolic is hard like old-fashioned bakelite. The idea is similar to FRN, but the roles are sorta reversed: the phenolic matrix is stiff but brittle, and the woven fiber provides toughness.

The other main difference is in strength. FRN has fibers that are arranged randomly throughout the material, so it's about as strong in all directions. (Actually, the fibers often align somewhat with the "flow" of FRN as it's injected into the mold, but not enough to change it's properties significantly.) G-10, on the other hand, has nearly all of its fibers running parallel to the surface, making it significantly stronger in an application such as a knife scale. However, strength testing on real-work knives show that both materials are plenty strong enough for making a knife handle; even an FRN handle with no liners will withstand stresses that will shear pivot pins, locking mechanisms or blade tangs!

FRN is popular on low-end knives because it can be injection molded into just about any shape you can build a mold for, including any sort of surface texture you like. It's also economical in mass production: once the tooling is made, FRN knife handles can be cranked out quickly, for little more than the cost of the material, and require little or no fitting or finishing after molding.

G-10 is made in sheets of slabs, and must be cut and machined to shape. This significantly limits the range of shapes that can be manufactured. (Example: Chase Axin (chaxknives.com) tried making machined G-10 replacements for the molded scales of the Benchmade Griptilian, but found that it was extremely difficult, extremely time-consuming, and hence not cost-effective, even for a custom maker such as himself.) There are some knives that use 3D CNC machining to achieve more interesting, less slab-like scales, such as the Benchmade Ares and Kershaw Spec Bump, but that requires expensive tooling and time.

G-10 does lend itself to roughened surface finish, that's nearly ideal for a knife. The process consists of bead-blasting the smooth surface of the G-10, which wears away the relatively brittle phenolic matrix, while leaving the tougher, phenolic-hardened fiberglas fabric raised above the surface. Depending on how much blasting is done, you can get a finish anywhere from a dull sheen, to a soft canvas-like feel, to rough as sandpaper."
 
razor, you can't flex g-10 it is WAY to brittle and stiff. FRN however can technically be flexed almost in half.
 
SpyderJon said:
Eh, its a laminate. Personally I prefer wood, but if my choices are G10 or Zytel I'd go with G10 every time because of its perception in the knife world as a "premium" product. That would help with resale over zytel.
I've never understood this as many "el-cheapo" Chinese knives are made using G10. Even so, it's a very comfortable substance. My M-Tech is made with G10 scales and it's fantastic. So many improvements are found in today's knives that it's impossible to say what will be next. I keep hoping for some sort of miracle steel.
 
This is much like arguing similar steels. Both have their virtues, both have their limitations. I think the selling point for most of us is how it feels in the hand (personal preference). It sounds like most people prefer the feel of G-10. I do. When sufficiently roughened, it doesn't feel like plastic at all to me. The thing is, you can get pretty close to this with zytel/FRN, but few makers do. Spyderco, IMHO, has the best textures on their FRN handles. That said, I'd still really like to have a G-10 Native.

Just speculation here, but due to the construction of G-10, I'm guessing that it will never wear smooth. The phenolic should wear off faster than the fiberglass, retaining the original texture, right? Combined with its chemical resistance, this would make it the heirloom plastic grip. :D
 
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