G10 Police

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ekaagan

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Does Spyderco still make the Police with G10 scales? I love this knife, but can do w/out the weight of the all-steel version. I had heard that there were some problems getting the G10 model right, can you explain what's happened/happening? Thanks a bunch.

Police lover,
EK
 
EK - Yes, it really created problems that we didn't expect, especially since we'd been making the Police model for 15 years.

The first problem was with the G10 made in Japan. The texture and strength we felt was better with the US made stuff. So we switched.

Then we added a liner to better support the screws for the clip.

Because the G10 Police has a removable pivot pin, the clip had to sit lower, which raised the knife too high in the pocket. So we designed a new clip that wraps around the pivot pin and curvces with the handle. We'll be suing the same clip on the G10 Civilian.

The next "improvement" will be to add a David Boye style cut out in the lock release bar.

At Spyderco, refinement is a continual process. Hope this helps.
sal
 
Ugh, not that lock cutout. Is accidental closure really such an issue from pressure on the locking bar in a firm grip? I know I can't close locks as firm as Spyderco's this way. I just can't stand breaking up the line of the spine (the prettiest line on nearly every knife, IMO) for a concern that seems so rare. It looks like a hack solution to the problem, too. Not saying I have a better one, but lemme think about it.

What about putting the cutout for lock access only in one scale?

I dunno, if I think of something better, you'll hear about it.

-Drew
 
Wow! what a quick response. Now I know more about what happened. Could you let me (and the others who want one) know where and when the "new" models will be available? Thanks again.

EK
 
Doh! I just ordered a G10 Police and a G10 Civilian from one of the online dealers. I guess these will have the older clips? Or, at least, the Civilian will. Will it be possible to retro-fit the new clips?

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Drew, I can close my Native's by holding them in the same position that I have them to open them with my thumb, by squeezing the knife. Not 100% of the time (there is a sweet spot); but, more than likely, the one time that I wouldn't want it to do this at all (panic grip in self defense or QUICK utility
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), it would. Not sure anything needs to be done, though. I somewhat agree with you: the Boye style cutout does break up the line of the knife, especially one such as the Native. I like your idea of only having the cutout for the lock on one scale. That would be a rather elegant solution, I think. Maybe Sal will like it....

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OD,

I've had the same experience. I was trimming inside a dovetail joint at work the other day and felt the spring compress under my palm. I'm not sure how I was holding the knife and I haven't been able to replicate it, but it certainly is possible. However I agree, I wouldn't want to break the curve on the back of the knife with a cutout on the spring, particularly on the Native, where the smooth curve from handle to blade is soooo sweet. My wife can't understand why I have been spending so much time just looking at it
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Clay

Don't worry that the world might end tomorrow....in Australia it's tomorrow already.

 
My wife can't understand why I have been spending so much time just looking at it
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Same here.
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Ya know, women just don't understand. She sure does think it's handy, though, when she asks if I have a knife she can borrow, and I answer with, "What size would you like, small, medium, or large?"
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Work hard, play hard, live long.
Outlaw_Dogboy

 
Re: the lock cut-out. Damaging the lines of the Police model with a cut-out has been the major complaint from just about everyone. That is why we have not yet done it.

Drew - good idea, but it really makes the knife harder to unlock.

Don't have the answer yet, we're still tossing it about.

Clay - We "know" the "sweet spot" on both the Police and the Native. However on the Native, Vince engineered the lock so close that the lock will compress slightly, but not enough to unlock.
sal
 
Sal,

It's that sort of attention to detail that keeps me buying Spydercos. Another example is the design work which has gone into the Sharpmaker 204. The new base is a masterpiece of industrial design. It is, without a doubt, the best sharpening system I have used, simple, convenient, compact and versatile. I don't know how I ever lived without one
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Take care,
Clay

Don't worry that the world might end tomorrow....in Australia it's tomorrow already.

 
Sal, I probably just have bony hands, but I can make the Native (zytel and BF Native) lock compress enough to completely unlock the blade, without a hitch. Doesn't even rub. Can I do it consistently? Yes. Do I worry about it? Not at all. Could it be a problem in an emergency? Don't know, don't really care that much. The choil on the Native will/should prevent it from closing on me completely, even if it came unlocked. To be honest, I'm not even suggesting anything be changed, or hoping, or whatever. Just pointing it out.

I tried unlocking my Native by just pushing down on the lock, trying to make sure that none of my thumb extended over to the opposite scale (trying to see just how hard it would be to unlock if only one scale was cut out). You're absolutely right there, it was a pain. But, it would make it dang difficult to unlock by accident. Of course, I'm sure someone could.

Make anything fool-proof, and someone will make a better fool....
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Outlaw_Dogboy

 
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