Ganzo G704 & Ganzo G712

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I was looking around at different knives and found some knives called "Ganzo" which are considered cheap knives but Im starting to have second thoughts about that statement! I purchased the Ganzo G704 just to check it out and see what it was made of. After a couple of weeks of having this knife im beginning to see that it's not junk at all! This thing has been nothing but good in every way. Zero blade play up & down or side to side. Operates smooth as glass and from all the everyday use it holds it's edge surprising well. Blade is absolutely centered which is not a big deal to me if it wasn't! Then since I was so satisfied with this one I purchased a Ganzo G712. Now this knife is awesome as they come! The blade shape is wicked, the feel of the handle is perfect in the hand, it's just a straight up good knife! It looks just like the Benchmade Bedlam except it doesn't have the "skull buster" on the end of the handle or 154CM steel. The 440C steel does just what I need it to. Besides it was $175 cheaper than the Benchmade. Regardless, in my opinion this knife will suit me in every way. Im getting tired of spending hundreds of dollars on knives so Im taking a different approach. All in all Ganzo ain't a bad knife for the price. I've used these things like I use all of my knives and they perform just like the big dogs. But everyone has their own opinion and im sure im going to get shot at about this post! Spent $25 on one and try it out, especially the G712. I don't think you'll be disappointed. I personally thing their worth more than the price their selling for.
 
Those are blatant rip offs of another companies designs. They also illegally use Benchmade's patented axis lock. There is no way to say if that 440c is indeed 440c. Buying such things rips off US companies, supports counterfeiting, and hurts this hobby. Do a search here. This as been discussed ad nauseum.
 
craytab said:
Those are blatant rip offs of another companies designs. They also illegally use Benchmade's patented axis lock. There is no way to say if that 440c is indeed 440c. Buying such things rips off US companies, supports counterfeiting, and hurts this hobby. Do a search here. This as been discussed ad nauseum.
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ok ....:rolleyes:

The 704 is a rip off but the quality is unbelievable for the money, perfect centering and no blade play afer 18 months :thumbup:
 
hellvenger said:
ok ....:rolleyes:

The 704 is a rip off but the quality is unbelievable for the money, perfect centering and no blade play afer 18 months :thumbup:
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Both are rip offs. They also use the axis lock without permission. Its cool if you want to support that garbage but don't be hurt to hear how much it sucks :thumbup:
 
Have 2 Ganzo auto knives, G17-b and G7211-gr. Neither is a rip-off of ANY design I can see; both claim to be 440c and from the way they sharpen and hold an edge I'm inclined to
believe it.
I've been written up by the mods for anti-China remarks and probably deserved it but I'm at a loss to feel the animosity for Ganzo. If they ripped the Axis design I'm sorry for that but
the steel they use is far better than the usual Chinese alphabet garbage.
 
SmallBlock327 said:
It looks just like the Benchmade Bedlam except it doesn't have the "skull buster" on the end of the handle or 154CM steel. The 440C steel does just what I need it to. Besides it was $175 cheaper than the Benchmade.
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It doesn't have the skull crusher because they replaced the skull crusher/lanyard hole, backspacer out and with (from pictures) barrel spacers. They even kept the lanyard hole divot in the frame for whatever reason.

Tracers.
 
CARRERA50 said:
Have 2 Ganzo auto knives, G17-b and G7211-gr. Neither is a rip-off of ANY design I can see; both claim to be 440c and from the way they sharpen and hold an edge I'm inclined to
believe it.
I've been written up by the mods for anti-China remarks and probably deserved it but I'm at a loss to feel the animosity for Ganzo. If they ripped the Axis design I'm sorry for that but
the steel they use is far better than the usual Chinese alphabet garbage.
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The lock on those knives is a design rip off.
But it's nice to see that you are at least sorry for contributing to intellectual property theft. :confused:
 
As you can see this isn't a friendly place for discussing these companies, I'd talk about them somewhere else. You'll only get flamed here.
 
shecky said:
Which of these Ganzo knives at counterfeits?
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They are rip-offs and copies, not counterfeits.
These are the most popular Ganzo knives:

G704 - BM 14210 H&K, direct copy
G710 - BM Rift copy
G711 - BM Dejavoo without the spyderhole
G712 - BM bedlam copy
G717 - essentially this is Sebenza outline with G10 scales and AXIS lock.
G720 - Lionsteel SR1 with AXIS lock
G727 - Rat1 with AXIS lock

There are few more BM and SOG resembling models that I cannot name from the top of my head right now but I think those are enough to get the idea.
I own 712 and 727. 712's steel is half decent but 727 is a sorry excuse for steel and tempering, it gets dull quicker than my Rat2, regardless of bevel angle and grit used for sharpening...
 
nick21 said:
As you can see this isn't a friendly place for discussing these companies, I'd talk about them somewhere else. You'll only get flamed here.
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What you call "flame" obviously depends on your standards.
And yes, there are plenty of places one can have friendly discussion about stealing and copying products that cannot afford. I guess, a "friendly discussion" will justify purchase of a copy... :D
 
NorthernSouthpaw said:
The lock on those knives is a design rip off.
But it's nice to see that you are at least sorry for contributing to intellectual property theft. :confused:
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Perhaps you would care to illuminate as to just which lock design has been ripped off? Inquiring minds would like to know.
 
nick21 said:
As you can see this isn't a friendly place for discussing these companies, I'd talk about them somewhere else. You'll only get flamed here.
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Sorry if you can't handle an honest discussion on these knives...
 
I think the patent on the Axis lock expired earlier this year. I don't know if that's a valid gripe anymore.

Regardless, I also don't see the harm in counterfeits of discontinued models like the Snody (G704) or Rukus (G716), as long as they aren't falsely branded as the genuine article. If nobody else is making them, is it an issue?

The tradeoff with "quality" counterfeits (or clones, in this case) is that you get no warranty and inferior materials. The reason I spend more money on the genuine article is because the warranty is worth it to me. If my Kershaw 4KXL develops a problem, it's fixed for free at the cost of shipping it to them. If my Protechs develop problems, the very same scenario. If your Ganzo knife develops a problem... You're out however much you spent on it unless you can fix it yourself. The knife might last you a year or two, but a quality knife with a warranty can last you a lifetime and has resale value if you decide you don't want it.

Yeah, a $20 clone can do a lot of things any other knife can do, but so can the budget Kershaws / Spydercos / Cold Steels and those come with the backing and confidence of a company that has been - and will be - around for a long time.

I'm not as opposed to clones as many are on these boards, as I genuinely see little harm in it, but I also have no interest in them aside from the ones that copy discontinued knives that are otherwise incredibly rare or expensive. If I had the Snody that the G704 was based off of, I would probably sell it because there are -hundreds- of knives of the same quality and materials and rough shape that would do the same jobs at a much lower price. The Ganzo version, though, makes the same knife affordable without stepping on any toes.

Blatant counterfeits are a whole other story, though. I've been sold counterfeit Spydercos and Benchmades more than once. Not a pleasant experience. Those need to go away.
 
I own three original Benchmade AFCK's, with the round opening hole. Benchmade incorporated the round opening hole into these knives without the permission of Spyderco, and without paying royalties. At the time, some people, including the owner of Spyderco, said that Benchmade stole the round opening hole from Spyderco. And yet, I don't feel the least bit guilty about owning these knives.

The dispute over the round opening hole became contentious between the two companies. Eventually they resolved the matter. But I guess some people could argue that Benchmade is a dishonest company because it once used the idea of another company and made money off of it. I suppose it could be argued that once a company acts in a dishonest manner, that they can't, nor shouldn't, be trusted ever again. I guess it could be argued that it would be wrong to give money to a company that had once acted so dishonestly.

I however don't feel that way. Because I don't apply morality to such matters.

On a related note, the subject of "intellectual property" is one I find interesting. For example-

As I recall, a guy named Mike Walker invented the linerlock. But to my knowledge no knife company has ever asked Mr. Walker for his permission, or paid him any royalties for incorporating linerlocks into their knives. I wonder, does that mean that every knife company that uses the linerlock is a dishonest company that has stolen Mr. Walker's "intellectual property"?

And which knife maker was the first to install thumbstuds on their blades? Is every knife company that uses thumbstuds paying royalties?

Who was the first knife maker to incorporate a pocket clip? Or how about a seat belt cutter? Or how about a glass breaker? I imagine there is a long list of "intellectual property" when it comes to knives.

Should a knife maker be called dishonest if they use someone elses idea without asking their permission or paying them royalties?

I wonder what features Benchmade is currently incorporating into their knives that are the "intellectual property" of someone else, without asking for permission, and without paying royalties. Personally, I like Benchmade, so I really couldn't care less.

The subject of "intellectual property", and trying to determine which company is honest or dishonest, is a slippery slope, and not always a cut-and-dry matter.

Oh, and I also currently own 4 Ganzo knives. And I plan on buying more.
 
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killgar said:
I own three original Benchmade AFCK's, with the round opening hole. Benchmade incorporated the round opening hole into these knives without the permission of Spyderco, and without paying royalties. At the time, some people, including the owner of Spyderco, said that Benchmade stole the round opening hole from Spyderco. And yet, I don't feel the least bit guilty about owning these knives.

The dispute over the round opening hole became contentious between the two companies. Eventually they resolved the matter. But I guess some people could argue that Benchmade is a dishonest company because it once used the idea of another company and made money off of it. I suppose it could be argued that once a company acts in a dishonest manner, that they can't, nor shouldn't, be trusted ever again. I guess it could be argued that it would be wrong to give money to a company that had once acted so dishonestly.

I however don't feel that way. Because I don't apply morality to such matters.

On a related note, the subject of "intellectual property" is one I find interesting. For example-

As I recall, a guy named Mike Walker invented the linerlock. But to my knowledge no knife company has ever asked Mr. Walker for his permission, or paid him any royalties for incorporating linerlocks into their knives. I wonder, does that mean that every knife company that uses the linerlock is a dishonest company that has stolen Mr. Walker's "intellectual property"?

And which knife maker was the first to install thumbstuds on their blades? Is every knife company that uses thumbstuds paying royalties?

Who was the first knife maker to incorporate a pocket clip? Or how about a seat belt cutter? Or how about a glass breaker? I imagine there is a long list of "intellectual property" when it comes to knives.

Should a knife maker be called dishonest if they use someone elses idea without asking their permission or paying them royalties?

I wonder what features Benchmade is currently incorporating into their knives that are the "intellectual property" of someone else, without asking for permission, and without paying royalties. Personally, I like Benchmade, so I really couldn't care less.

The subject of "intellectual property", and trying to determine which company is honest or dishonest, is a slippery slope, and not always a cut-and-dry matter.

Oh, and I also currently own 4 Ganzo knives. And I plan on buying more.
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I am not one to believe a single word I read online. So I looked it up.

Patents get protection for 14 years. They "generally" last 20 years. They got a patent in 1996 for the axis lock. Protection ended in 2010 and the "generally" part of how long it lasts means it just may be up. The earliest evidence I can find on the Ganzo axis lock is 2011. The last time benchmade paid their four year fee was 2009, one year before the 14 year protection ended. Even if they enforced it up until the end of the last four year fee payment protection would have ended in 2013.

What I do see being highly enforced is a tiny groups of moral standing on just about anyone who says they own one.

http://www.stopfakes.gov/faqs/how-long-does-patent-trademark-or-copyright-protection-last

http://www.google.com/patents/US5755035
 
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