Ganzo G704: The Little POS That Could (lots of pics)

Strange about the Benchmade axis locks. That hasn't been my experience with them at all, and this is the first I'm hearing people complain about all axis locks having play. Makes me wonder what you guys are doing to your knives...

In my case, taking them out of the box. Pretty abusive, I know. :D

What Dorito fails to mention is that the extent of his Benchmade history is 2 Presidios and an Alias, which supposedly were all terrible with bladeplay even after servicing by BM.

Actually, that's all in post #7 of this thread, and pretty much every post I've ever made about Benchmade. Not sure why you're confused about that; I'm quite open about my experience with Benchmade. I have borrowed a couple and handled a bunch in stores, but I don't think that really qualifies as 'having history' with them.
 
Dorito Monk definitely has issues with Benchmade which is years old at this point. I can see if it was recent having a bad taste if you have terrible luck like he must have, but at this point it seems more like a vendetta against the company. He can't let a post go by about the AXIS lock without ripping on it with his couple knife experience. Yet a copy stolen design of Benchmade is the best thing since sliced bread. Pushing a stolen design that is a cheap knockoff as better than ANY of the real thing that he has ever handled (another 2 or 3 knives?) again seems like he has a vendetta or is on a smear campaign. Just the way it looks to someone who has seen this going on for years now.

I'm still curious why there are people with many dozens of AXIS lock knives and Benchmade makes tens of thousands of knives a year that most find nothing wrong with. They are all wrong? I can also find blade play in just about any folder. That is what happens when you break a knife in half and make it fold. But it isn't limited to AXIS locks, it is all locks. And it usually isn't enough to see or hear, it is a microscopic amount that can only be felt when wiggling and trying to find play. A small amount of play doesn't hurt anything, especially with the way an AXIS lock works. I would rather an AXIS lock that you can rattle back and forth, than a liner lock that has a small amount of noticeable play. If you want a knife that flips open and closed easily, there will be a good chance of play. You can't have both.
 
Are you sure you had REAL benchmades? I ask because you talk of buying a lot of cheapo evilbay blades. Did you get them from a reliable source? I own 4, all of which I would dare anyone to find vertical play, side to side is subjective but audible rattling? You're saying there was no point in between an audible rattle of the blade and being too tight to properly function as a one hand opener? I call shenanagins!
The rattling is more than likely the stop pin. They are, I believe, designed this way(not dead tight) to minimize wear. I've never come across an axis lock equipped Benchmade that I could not adjust to remove all noticeable play. Adjust in very small increments when tuning. By very small, I mean, you may not even know the screw has been turned.
 
To each their own, I don't agree with our cool ranch (or maybe original red bag?) monk about Benchmades but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

The Benchmades I use regularly (two 707s, a 710 and a 950) only display noticeable blade play if I let the pivots loosen up over time and that's fixed easily enough by tightening them down a touch. The closest to wobble any of them displays is my main EDC 707, which I keep a touch loose for convenience (and even then it doesn't wobble noticeably, only when you really work at it).

Maybe you've just had bad luck, maybe we've just had good luck, whatever. Agree to disagree, I guess.
 
To each their own, I don't agree with our cool ranch (or maybe original red bag?) monk about Benchmades but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

The Benchmades I use regularly (two 707s, a 710 and a 950) only display noticeable blade play if I let the pivots loosen up over time and that's fixed easily enough by tightening them down a touch. The closest to wobble any of them displays is my main EDC 707, which I keep a touch loose for convenience (and even then it doesn't wobble noticeably, only when you really work at it).

Maybe you've just had bad luck, maybe we've just had good luck, whatever. Agree to disagree, I guess.

Original red bag all the way. :thumbup: To be honest, it's been years since I've had Doritos. :eek: Don't tell anyone, though, I could get kicked out of the Order.

But yeah, I genuinely don't know why my experience has been so poor with Benchmade. It might just be bad luck to get three in a row that had some problem or another, because the company can clearly put out a lot of good products that other people are totally satisfied with.

Dorito Monk definitely has issues with Benchmade which is years old at this point. I can see if it was recent having a bad taste if you have terrible luck like he must have, but at this point it seems more like a vendetta against the company. He can't let a post go by about the AXIS lock without ripping on it with his couple knife experience. Yet a copy stolen design of Benchmade is the best thing since sliced bread. Pushing a stolen design that is a cheap knockoff as better than ANY of the real thing that he has ever handled (another 2 or 3 knives?) again seems like he has a vendetta or is on a smear campaign. Just the way it looks to someone who has seen this going on for years now.

I'm still curious why there are people with many dozens of AXIS lock knives and Benchmade makes tens of thousands of knives a year that most find nothing wrong with. They are all wrong? I can also find blade play in just about any folder. That is what happens when you break a knife in half and make it fold. But it isn't limited to AXIS locks, it is all locks. And it usually isn't enough to see or hear, it is a microscopic amount that can only be felt when wiggling and trying to find play. A small amount of play doesn't hurt anything, especially with the way an AXIS lock works. I would rather an AXIS lock that you can rattle back and forth, than a liner lock that has a small amount of noticeable play..

Cute. You whined at me in the last axis lock thread that came up, because you were angry that I insulted your favourite company, and now you've decided to follow me here? Looks like I'm not the only one with a 'vendetta' who 'can't let a post go by'. ;)

Again, if you'd bothered to read the posts you take such grave exception to, I still own a Benchmade, which I bought a darn sight less than six months ago at this point. I have a Bradley that isn't all that old, either. My issues have been as recent as right this second. And yes, my experience with Benchmade is quite a lot more limited than some peoples' - I've only spent ~500$ on 3 of their products, while there are plenty of folks who brag about having owned some 200 Benchmades each and find them all flawless. I've been pretty open about that being the extent of my experience, and yeah, I'm pretty vocal about my displeasure. What are you expecting me to do, here? Follow the 'if-you-can't-say-anything-nice, don't-say-anything-at-all' rule, but only when it comes to Benchmade products? :confused:

Now, I don't ever go on rants whining about how all of those other Benchmade customers must be wrong because their experience differs from mine - that's just out-and-out juvenile. Accusing me of being wrong or having a 'vendetta' just because my opinion of Benchmade differs from yours is absolutely childish. Grow up.

If you just can't bear to see someone who's not impressed by your pet company, that's fine - you don't have to like it, you don't even have to believe me; you can ignore everything I say if you really feel like it. It is quite odd, and more than a little confusing, that you have decided to launch your own little 'smear campaign' as you put it against me, though; take time out of your day to follow me from thread to thread and either imply or outright accuse me of lying or of having some agenda. :confused: Really? Is this your reaction whenever someone mentions their bad experiences with a brand you like, or am I just special? :barf:

If you want a knife that flips open and closed easily, there will be a good chance of play. You can't have both

Sure I can! I just have to use the Hogue Ex-01 instead. Or the Kershaw RAM. Or the Spyderco Manix 2. But I guess that's a different topic, entirely.
 
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I have a similar Ganzo model and love it. Aside from me screwing the lock up (ground it to lock further in but didn't grind it flat), it has served me well. It also took an edge and held it like 440C does (much better than 8cr), and has the wonderful rust resistance of 440C (not a spot on mine without any oil or Vaseline). For it being about $15 I would call it unbeatable (ok maybe not that good, but it is up in the top percent for value).
 
Cool review, most reviews I see on Youtube don't actually use a knife before reviewing it.

You mentioned the other cheap knives you bought were crap, care to elaborate?

I bought a view of these Chinese branded knives and my opinion there IS a difference in fit and finish and appearance with say for example my slightly more expensive CRKT Drifter and Boker Trance.
So, unless you want a specific look you might as well buy the real deal for $20-$25. I also have the impression quality control is a bit better with the better known branded knives.

But I want an axis lock (or similar) for a beater knife I know I am going to abuse.
This is where these Chinese knives come in, almost no western brand has an axis (or similar) lock on a $50 knife let alone $15.

I've been using a Sanremnu with axis lock pretty hard (it's cheap so I can abuse it, love that) and it has only very slight horizontal blade play.
Looks like my next purchase is going to be a Ganzo axis.

Another interesting review:
Copy vs Original: Ganzo G710 vs Benchmade 950 Rift
 
Cool review, most reviews I see on Youtube don't actually use a knife before reviewing it.

You mentioned the other cheap knives you bought were crap, care to elaborate?

Thanks for reading!

The other ones I bought were a SRM 710, an Enlan EL-02 and EL-04. The two enlan knives both have some sharp edges all around the handles (or places where the G10 doesn't line up with the steel liners), especially on the axis lock itself, which make them really really uncomfortable to operate. There's also a ton of blade play in every direction. They're not unusable by any means, but they are very poorly made. It's not really fair of me to call the 710 crap since it does work quite well now, and the problems I had with it earlier with it being hard to open and hard to unlock have improved with time and some tweaking. I ended up giving the 710 to my Dad because he asked for a beater knife he could abuse and not worry about - he's been quite happy with it so far.
 
(Excuse the bad photography :o)

A while ago I bought a bunch of cheap chinese knives from manufacturers like Enlan, Sanrenmu, and Ganzo, just to try them out. I kind of picked four at random and ordered them. Most of them ended up being exactly what I paid for - Cheap junk. The Ganzo G704, however, has proven itself to be a shockingly well made little chunk of steel.... (the rest redacted in respect of page space)

Nice read and review well done. Thanks for taking the time to post it. Certainly worth my time to read it. :)
 
Got more than a few Benchmades myself. Some have a little bladeplay, some have none at all. But ya know what? The ones with a little bladeplay cut just as well as the ones without.

I'll take S30V over 440c any day and don't mind paying for it. I also like knowing my knives are made by American men & women instead of Chinese laborers and don't mind paying for that either.

That being said, I do appreciate the review OP. Good stuff and thanks for sharing.
 
It's not really fair of me to call the 710 crap since it does work quite well now, and the problems I had with it earlier with it being hard to open and hard to unlock

Exactly my experience with my two (now 1) SRM710's.
With a tight pivot the knife is hard to open (and perfectly centred blade) and you can only loosen it very slightly before the blade rubs against the frame. I now have the edge almost rubbing the frame and the knife is still to hard to open.
I paid $6 incl two years back but now they are $11 and I can't really recommend them. (especially since the CRKT Drifter is still $17!)
 
A friend of mine has commented a few times that he likes the Axis Lock on my Benchmade. Being the cheap bastard I am, instead of a Benchmade I just ordered him one of these as a gift for $15 shipped.
 
I have owned dozens and dozens of Benchmade AXIS lock folders and find I was able to adjust bladeplay out of all of them to an acceptable (or non-existing) level. I think the issue is more that when someone buys a $6 Chinese knock-off of an American designed and manufactured knife costing much, much more, they tend to overlook QC issues and focus on what they think can prove justification for the poor choice to begin with...
 
I'm not sure I could buy a Snody ripoff. He's just about the nicest guy ever and he even thanks people for putting food on his family's table when they buy his knives or designs. That kinda hits home with me. Too much respect for that man.
 
I have owned dozens and dozens of Benchmade AXIS lock folders and find I was able to adjust bladeplay out of all of them to an acceptable (or non-existing) level. I think the issue is more that when someone buys a $6 Chinese knock-off of an American designed and manufactured knife costing much, much more, they tend to overlook QC issues and focus on what they think can prove justification for the poor choice to begin with...

That's a pretty massive assumption, but it could very well be. By the very same reasoning, it's just as likely that when someone buys an expensive American knife, they tend to overlook QC issues and focus on what they think can provide justification for spending much, much more money on a product that delivers a marginal (or non-existent) improvement in performance over less expensive options. In other words, they want so badly to feel like their 150$ knife is 10 times better than everyone else's 15$ knives that they overlook any issues the 150$ knife has.

It was brought up earlier in this thread, but it's more likely that there's just a disparity in standards for "acceptable levels" of blade play between us. I probably wouldn't be happy with the levels of blade play that you find 'acceptable'.
 
That's a pretty massive assumption, but it could very well be. By the very same reasoning, it's just as likely that when someone buys an expensive American knife, they tend to overlook QC issues and focus on what they think can provide justification for spending much, much more money on a product that delivers a marginal (or non-existent) improvement in performance over less expensive options. In other words, they want so badly to feel like their 150$ knife is 10 times better than everyone else's 15$ knives that they overlook any issues the 150$ knife has.

It was brought up earlier in this thread, but it's more likely that there's just a disparity in standards for "acceptable levels" of blade play between us. I probably wouldn't be happy with the levels of blade play that you find 'acceptable'.

I seriously doubt it. I just know how to adjust the AXIS lock.

And sure, it goes both ways but most people would send back a troublesome expensive knife.
 
I seriously doubt it. I just know how to adjust the AXIS lock.

And sure, it goes both ways but most people would send back a troublesome expensive knife.

You know how to adjust vertical blade play out of an axis lock? Cool. :thumbup:

Would you like to share? That info could come in handy. I've heard that messing around with the stop pin yielded good results for some folks, but that's never made any difference in my knives.
 
I have had a couple BMs. Both had play develop after everyday use. Not saying that BM is a bad knife company. Dorito was not the only poster to bring up play in the axis lock. BM makew good knives but they also make mistakes just like CRK, Spyderco etc. Objectivity is key here.
 
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