Gaucho knives - Puñales and Verijeros (South American Bowie)

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I consider the criollo knife to be one of the most beautiful and useful knife style.

That is probably why I specialize in that type ;)

As you erichsen well say, as the time went by and gauchos settle as “peones” (ranch workers) the need for long “facones” (usually made form military sables) decrease and where replaced by “puñales”. The facones where, as the Bowie, a fighting weapon. The puñal criollo is more of a working tool.

The degree of ornate is also a regional thing, in the 1º picture you show knives are very silver worked, showing an Olavarria school style (though not exclusive from that area), while a more simple silver-work as in the 3º and 4º picture would be more characteristic form San Antonio de Areco.

I try to maintain the blade geometry as traditional as I can while playing with damascus patterns and some alternative handle materials when I make a criollo knife.

Here you can see some of my work:

http://quirogaguiraldesforja.blogspot.com/



Regards,

Manuel

Manuel, thank you for that detailed info, you are clearly an expert in the subject. I may PM you with my findings, if you would permit me. I'll inspect the URL you send further!

With warm regards,

-E
 
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Erichsen,

What a beautiful collection. Just stunning. Nothing like what I have seen over here on the occasions some one has some old ones at a show. Thanks for putting them up for us to see.

Manuel,

Some very beautiful work. It is interesting to see your efforts over three years.
 
I consider the criollo knife to be one of the most beautiful and useful knife style.

That is probably why I specialize in that type ;)

As you erichsen well say, as the time went by and gauchos settle as “peones” (ranch workers) the need for long “facones” (usually made form military sables) decrease and where replaced by “puñales”. The facones where, as the Bowie, a fighting weapon. The puñal criollo is more of a working tool.

The degree of ornate is also a regional thing, in the 1º picture you show knives are very silver worked, showing an Olavarria school style (though not exclusive from that area), while a more simple silver-work as in the 3º and 4º picture would be more characteristic form San Antonio de Areco.

I try to maintain the blade geometry as traditional as I can while playing with damascus patterns and some alternative handle materials when I make a criollo knife.

Here you can see some of my work:

http://quirogaguiraldesforja.blogspot.com/



Regards,

Manuel

Absolutely gorgeous work Manuel. Well done. I will definitely have you on my short list. The model featuring a feather pattern damascus offset against the grain of the haft materials, excellent. The nicely shaped integrated bolsters are particularly brilliant design points.

-E
 
Gauchos are very serious about their barbecue.

- Christian

The series of images with the Gaucho wearing the wide belt with knife tucked in and the N.American frontiersmen whittling a stick with his Bowie was a nice juxtaposition. A lot more investigation into the culturally significant cutting implements of our neighbors to the south needs to occur, as the excellent examples of the Gaucho knives in this thread should suggest.

-E
 
Very absorbing thread indeed:thumbup:

It's opening up interests in new styles of knives for me.

Impressive workmanship and variety displayed in Manuel's catalogue,many thanks. I also like this carrying of the knife in the small of the back, this was used widely in Europe in former times-usually for fighting...but it is practical too when on horse.

If interest takes off, perhaps we could start an Ethnic Knives thread with examples from outside N.America? Russia has a rich tradition of ornate knives and styles. Places such as Turkey, Iran and India have interesting fixed knives and of course,there is the history of Damascus steel. Just some thoughts. These South American knives are real gems!

Willgoy,

I second your motion for an Ethnic Knives sub-forum, though in my view "traditional" knives could cover worldwide cutlery traditions if that proves problematic.

The "traditional" knives of Central Africa can be similarly amazing. The knives of the Indonesian archipelago, of the Middle East and Central Asia are long time favourites. It has only been recently that I've "discovered" the rich traditions of Central and South America. I hope to share what I've learned here until the decision is made if a new sub-forum is justified.

Warm regards,

-E
 
Someone mentioned other S.A knifemakers in the forums. Check out/google Ruben Calo and Ariel Salaverria. More good stuff.

Mike
 
Good day to all,
I wanted to recomend a book by an argentinean author Abel Domenech about criollo knives.
The book is "Dagas de Plata" and is the most comprehensive and complete work about gaucho knives I know.
If you what to know about gauchos and their knives this is THE book.

http://www.domenech.com.ar/anuanciodagas.htm

Hope you find it usefull,


Regards,
Manuel QG
 
Good day to all,
I wanted to recomend a book by an argentinean author Abel Domenech about criollo knives.
The book is "Dagas de Plata" and is the most comprehensive and complete work about gaucho knives I know.
If you what to know about gauchos and their knives this is THE book.

http://www.domenech.com.ar/anuanciodagas.htm

Hope you find it usefull,


Regards,
Manuel QG

Manuel,

Excellent pointer, I'll look to obtain a copy to add to my library.

I've done a bit of research on the categories and would like for you to confirm some of the basic terminology. I'm far from the point of being to understand the differences in style based on the location of manufacture or the school behind the stylist queues.

Facón - dedicated fighting knife, term sometimes used interchangeably with "daga" though generally different by virtue of Facón generally being single edged, sometimes with a false edge or swedge and daga, which are nearly always double edged ("true" daggers). Blade lengths of 15-18" blade most common, sometimes made from a sword or bayonet blade. Typically constructed with Empatilladura, a reinforcement soldered to the handle cross-guard assembly to strengthen the union of hilt and blade, present on most long bladed facones and dagas. S and U shaped guards common.

Daga - nearly always a double edged fighting knife, with U and S type guards. Blade length of 15-18" common. Term sometimes used interchangeably with Facón.

Caronero - considered a subtype of facón. Almost as long as a full sword, carried between the caronas (part of the saddle), thus the name for the weapon. Very short guards or does not any guards, unlike those featured on facón, presumed to be to avoid getting entangled with the saddle upon reaching for the weapon in a hurry. This type of knife/short sword was never popular among gauchos in general, more commonly used by criminals, militia and only infrequently by ordinary gauchos.

Cuchilla - A kind of utility butchers knife with a curving edge and a straight back. Full tang construction typical, rivets but no bolsters. Still in common use at the present time. Some are quite ornate, but for the most part this is a very plain, simple design.

Cuchillo de campo (country knife) - subtype of cuchilla, also full tang construction with slab handles, attached by rivets, wood or antler with a false bolster of brass or nickel silver. Shape of the blade is slimmer to that of cuchilla and similar to puñal.

Puñal Criollo - Also called just "criollo" or "puñal," a general purpose utility tool, some ornate, but most quite simple and sturdy. Slim and elegant spear pointed blade, the presence of an integrally forged bolster or "button" reinforces and divides the blade from it's tang, the use of "cuts" or file marks on the back of the blade and presence of some kind of "notch" in the ricasso of the blade differentiate this style from all others. In Argentina the forged bolster is square, whereas it is more commonly round on Uraguayan and Brazilian puñal criollo.

Gauchos called their knives by different names, paying little attention to their true characteristics but using the names they would have heard from their elders. Thus, a knife was a facón for one person, but the same knife may have been called a daga by another. It is also worth noting that the features which must be present in a specific specimen in order to classify it as a particular type are subject to debate, as there is no definite or rigid pattern or list of characteristics which exactly define each one.

Does the above, which seems fairly basic, appear correct to you?

I'll post some images of examples I've located. The book you pointed me to should perhaps identify the more specific aspects of regional styles and design features unique to specific schools or centers of manufacture.

Warm regards,

-E
 
erichsen
I have to say it is all correct. I'm impressed!

How did you lear so much about argentinean knives? :)

I could add about the "caronero" that it was a very flexible blade, to resist the bending the saddle (or "recado") produce when tighten. And although, as you said no so popular on regular gauchos and more a militia or "matrero" (outlawed) weapon, it is highly estimed and look for in nowadays parades, because it dresses the "recado".

Regards,
M
 
erichsen
I have to say it is all correct. I'm impressed!

How did you lear so much about argentinean knives? :)

I could add about the "caronero" that it was a very flexible blade, to resist the bending the saddle (or "recado") produce when tighten. And although, as you said no so popular on regular gauchos and more a militia or "matrero" (outlawed) weapon, it is highly estimed and look for in nowadays parades, because it dresses the "recado".

Regards,
M

Manuel,

That makes good sense for the caronero to be slimmer and more flexible given the location it was carried. I wondered how they avoided chaffing the saddle or the horse! Great pointer on that aspect of the caronero as this does not appear to be common knowledge.

And now for a few images I've located on the 'net that may help pinpoint what each type is and what I'm particularly interested in.

A group of facone / daga
Facone.jpg

Facones-Daga01.jpg

Facones-Daga02.jpg

Facones-Daga03.jpg

Facones-Daga04.jpg


A caronero "short sword"
caronero-knife.jpg


Verijero
verijero-knife.jpg


Very ornate cuchillo
cuchillo-argentino.jpg


Cuchillas
Cuchillas01.jpg


With the exception of the very ornate cuchillo (which may be mislabeled/incorrectly categorized), the above are interesting to learn more about, but are not my focus for adding to my collection. By showing the images above, I want to eliminate them from the category I would consider proper "punales." The punales criollo types, a few of which you happen to make, are what I'm interested in. The Verijero is a nice, small, handy variety, but it looks like a short "camp knife" to me and less interesting and quite probably far more modern.

It appears the zenith of Gaucho culture occurred sometime before 1880, so a style from the late 18th century to the late 19th century are probably the time period upon which to focus.

I'm contemplating a more practical punales for personal use with a stabilized bone handle and very deeply notched ricasso on a blade of some 20-25 cm. I could be swayed on a pattern welded blade, but a plain carbon steel would be fine. For the more heavily metal worked, silver mounted blades I'd want an example that fairly faithfully represents the style from the early to late 19th century, if indeed that is the correct time period to focus on. I'll have to learn more about the various schools to choose an individual style from a more specific region or time period, I'm hoping the book you pointed me to will answer those questions.

Thanks again Manuel.

Cheers,

-E
 
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They are all really nice pieces.
The first ones are clearly puñales, which could be either old or present. The Olavarria school comes to mind again. Similar knives can be made today by present silversmiths working with bladesmiths or using antique german blades. The classic puñales blades came from germany, almost exclusively from Solingen. The Arbolito (Boker) was really famous. Although still in market the quality is really poor compare to the old ones.
The second picture is of facones, in the 3º one one looks like a daga, 4º dagas, 5º daga and some facones. The 6º I can not see it.

All those piece look antique. But if necessary can be easily replicated. In that kind of pieces us bladesmiths often work with present silversmiths.

Nevertheless, if you are interest in antique pieces exclusively I may be able to find something or al least point you in the right direction.

Regards,
M
 
They are all really nice pieces.
The first ones are clearly puñales, which could be either old or present. The Olavarria school comes to mind again. Similar knives can be made today by present silversmiths working with bladesmiths or using antique german blades. The classic puñales blades came from germany, almost exclusively from Solingen. The Arbolito (Boker) was really famous. Although still in market the quality is really poor compare to the old ones.
The second picture is of facones, in the 3º one one looks like a daga, 4º dagas, 5º daga and some facones. The 6º I can not see it.

All those piece look antique. But if necessary can be easily replicated. In that kind of pieces us bladesmiths often work with present silversmiths.

Nevertheless, if you are interest in antique pieces exclusively I may be able to find something or al least point you in the right direction.

Regards,
M

Given the relatively scarcity of the very nice examples and the prices they tend to fetch at auction, I think it would be wise to go the reproduction route and will probably do just that. After I have received the book I'll be able to be more specific about what I'm looking for.

Warm regards,

-E
 
There are several south American makers that have knife maker memberships on here, and would be proud to provide you with an authentic gaucho knife, even with that "American" flavor. Unfortunately, their names escape me right now.

Franciscomv might be able to help
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/member.php?u=139193


Trent, rural boys get a knife as soon as they can do any sort of work that requires a knife. So quite early in their lives! I can't remember not having a knife, by the time I was 7 I already had a nice collection going on.

Usually the first work knife will be a typical carbon steel "puñal criollo" (similar to the Bokers on AG Russell) made in Tandil (a city in the south of the Buenos Aires province). Quality with those is hit and miss, they are roughly finished, but they are cheap and serviceable. Most of the time people buy the blade and fit a simple wood or stag handle to it (they are hidden tang knives, it takes just a few minutes and some epoxy putty to have a usable handle). The whole finished thing would cost 15 bucks or less.

Frosts Mora knives, although not very common, are quite appreciated. They were introduced to the country when Mustad (a company that shells horse shoes and farrier equipment) started importing Frosts tools with their brand on them.

I think the most important knife for a kid is not his work knife, but his Sunday knife. Those usually come as a gift after finishing a particularly challenging task or something like that, and are cherished for generations. My Sunday knife, for example, belonged to my grandfather. He got the blade (an old Boker blade) from his father, and the gold and silver handle and sheath were a gift from the employees at a sugar cane plantation he managed in Chaco (a very poor Argentine province). He built a school and a small hospital for them.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=648280&highlight=argentina&page=2
 
I'm sorry for comment an old topic but i think i have a good site that shows very well how gauchos use their knives and show how is the life of gaucho in "pampa".
The site from the south brazilian Eduardo Amorim, he makes pics of gauchos in Argentina, Uruguay and Rio Grande do Sul(state in south Brazil), their pics are beautiful and shows the gauchos lifestyle and traditions... I hope you enjoy!

Clothes and knives gallery:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bombeador/sets/72157594214864490/

This gallery shows the place i live(Pelotas city):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bombeador/sets/72157594328646474/

All Galleries:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bombeador/sets/
 
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A nice addition to the thread. Thanks for adding that.
 
Thank you for that. Great pictures. Wonderful knives and leatherwork. I love seeing beautiful and valued tools.

- Christian
 
A timely bump and some great info from a thread I never knew existed. Thanks! :thumbup:

It's interesting to see the regional variations in gaucho knives. I spent most of my time (the better part of 5 years) in southern Chile and Argentina, where from what I saw, the preference in general was for less ornate criollos than many of the examples from more northern regions. And, even in the far south, the Argentinian gauchos tended to prefer more ornate interpretations than their Chilean counterparts. Seeing so many regional variations, and cultural differences, reflected in such a ubiquitous tool is fascinating to me.

By the way, for anyone interested, there was a really good book that came out a few years back called "The Last Cowboys at the End of the World" that is worth checking out.
 
Rafael, como e que vai cara? I lived in Rio Grande Do Sul for a couple years. I never did make it down to Pelotas but live in Porto Alegre for a time.

Thanks for those links as well. I have long wanted to make a nice gaucho knife. Maybe now is finally the time to put one together.

I'm sorry for comment an old topic but i think i have a good site that shows very well how gauchos use their knives and show how is the life of gaucho in "pampa".
The site from the south brazilian Eduardo Amorim, he makes pics of gauchos in Argentina, Uruguay and Rio Grande do Sul(state in south Brazil), their pics are beautiful and shows the gauchos lifestyle and traditions... I hope you enjoy!

Clothes and knives gallery:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bombeador/sets/72157594214864490/

This gallery shows the place i live(Pelotas city):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bombeador/sets/72157594328646474/

All Galleries:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bombeador/sets/
 
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