Gear advice for deploying soldiers

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After having read this forum and several similar ones for a few weeks now, I felt compelled to open my big mouth and give an opinion that nobody really wants and may actually offend people.

Fortunately for me, this is the internet, and so I can say virtually anything I want with little or no fear of repercussion.

So, here is the gist of this long post:

People bring and carry a lot of stupid stuff in Iraq.

I’m not a SOCOM Ninja or a Blackwater Opperator or any other cool job title type guy. I was, however, Airborne Infantry and deployed twice to Iraq. In the 18 months total that I spent in that country I wasted a lot of money on gear I didn’t need. I hope to help someone avoid my fate. I’ve complied a list of things I conceder useful information when it comes to gear selection, and I’d like to post them here. This is 100% my opinion, and as such, your mileage may vary.

1. Unless you have a job that regularly takes you off of the FOB you probably aren’t going to need any blade other than a multi-tool. $500 combat knives are cool, but if you are a mail clerk you just spent $500 on an item that sits on your belt and occasionally pokes you in the side when you sit down. Don’t be like the girl I saw guarding (and I use that term loosely) the phone trailer at Camp Victory. She had on a pressed uniform and 5 knives that I could see. She looked stupid and you will too.

2. If you do go off the FOB, you probably won’t need more than 3 knives, and even 3 are stretching it. Get a multi tool, a small folder you can clip on to a belt loop or something similar, and one fixed blade. There is no need to look like a walking cutlery drawer. Extra knives on your person just weigh you down, make you look like a poser, and provide a number of weapons for someone to grab off of you in the extremely rare event you get into hand to hand or melee combat. Extra crap on your belt also tends to snag on things like Humvee doors and house door frames when you are trying to move around in a hurry. I carried a fixed blade on my belt and a leg rig on my thigh till one day I got out of my truck, somthing snagged, and I ended up face down in the mud. I looked like an idiot, my unit looked like a bunch of idiots, and I had to deal with crap from my fellow soldiers for about a month over it.

3. You probably won’t need a knife with a blade longer than 6 inches. I’m willing to bet there are a few hardcore knife fighters on this forum who will disagree with me, but I have already stated this post is 100% my opinion. I am not a trained knife fighter. The overwhelming majority of people in the military are not knife fighters. There is no need to carry around a blade so big it looks like an agricultural implement if all we are going to use it for is scaring Iraqi children, opening the occasional MRE, and impressing Fobbits.

4. Simple rule: If you insist on carrying a sword with you, be prepared to look like, and be treated as, a complete and total tool box. We are the US Military for Pete’s sake. If you are that worried about getting into a truly nasty combat situation where you run out of ammo, leave the sword at home so you can run away faster to go and get more ammo. Bullets are cheap and we have a lot of them.

5. Repeat after me:

“I am not a ninja.”

6. Just because the military gave you a piece of equipment, or you bought a piece of equipment, doesn’t mean you need to constantly wear that piece of equipment. In my unit we used to call that “Looking like the CIF mannequin”. No one looks cool going to the shower with tactical eye wear and a leg rig on.

7. You look like an idiot if you mount an optic that most people would use for deer hunting on your M4 or M16. I’m not talking about a reflex site or a red dot, but rather a 20x Leopold or Tasco. You look like even more of an idiot, and are actually a liability to your unit and mission, if the optic in question hasn’t been sighted in.

8. Guard duty is guard duty. It sucks and it’s boring. That being said: PUT THE BOOK/MAGAZINE/LETTER FROM HOME/DVD PLAYER DOWN AND PAY ATTENTION!

I could go on, but this post is long enough. As always, this post is my opinion, and you mileage may vary. I am interested to hear other opinions on this subject, so please chime in, veteran or not.
 
Welcome to Bladeforums! This seems to be mainly Knife Advice so I'll move it to Blade Discussion. :)
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Great post. I am sure there will be those who carry their 14lbs, 54.3 inch long "tactical, combat grade, combat grip/finish war" knife will be offended but who cares?
 
Go w/ a single, good folder that you can afford to lose. Made two trips to the sandbox and tell the troopies we're training now to keep it light. Gov't issues all kinds of gear; after you put on armor/IBA, MOLLE carrying the Surefire/first aid/magazines/etc., a weapon, canteen, you don't need a whole lot more getting in your way/weighing you down.
 
Sound advice from UncleWillie.

Granted, I've been out of uniform for ... a while. But everything he says makes good sense to me!

So listen.
 
There's something about a 45 inch crusader era repro sword that makes it worthwhile to have in the team kit.
 
Im gonna have to agree with on most parts and admit to being guilty of carrying two fixed blades. I did carry a Benchmade nimravus and a RAT- 3.
I did not however carry a dagger with a 9 inch blade,push knives and some of the other nonsense that I have seen my fellow soldiers carry. I did seek out some instruction in the use of the knife. I carried an M-4 with 203 and a M-9. I never used my knife in combat to be honest I fired my M-9 very rarely. But the knives did give me a sense of security and it both of them were used constantly for mundane chores.
 
Well not really knife related and it's been 20+ years since I served.My Father gave these two pieces of wisdom the day I left for basic.

1.Keep your head down.

2.Never volunteer for anything.

Worked for me :)
 
Got to see some interesting knives just prior to the Iraq invasion. We were in the border staging camps on the Kuwait side, and younger Marines were listless and getting into various sorts of trouble.

After two stabbings in three days in one LAR Battalion, the CO ordered all personally-owned knives to be confiscated. I sauntered over to see what ended up in the box, and there was all kinds of interesting junk. Best by far was a 24" pseudo-katana, which was basically a thin bar of steel with a tanto-point, sharpened on one side, with a paracord grip. Kid said he paid $9 for it at a gunshow.

The bizarre irony was that they tried to take away every man's Leatherman, but let them all keep their mil-issue Ka-Bars and bayonets. I'm still puzzled by that one.

Of the two stabbings:
1) Kid stabbed his buddy in the thigh, both stuck to the story that he'd sneezed while sharpening his knife
2) Another stabbed his hoochmate in a fight over who got the last Spaghetti MRE.


Lot of good people in the military, but many are prone to the same junk fantasy knives and dumb impulsive behavior as their stateside peers.

-MV
 
Amen Brother! I saw the same thing (2/504 PIR) 20 years ago. My brother is a policeman and he has a term for this "disorder". He calls it the "Batman Syndrome". Too many people relying on their "Utility Belt" instead of their skills. It's one thing to be materialistic but one does not need to take everything with on a mission. What's this about watching DVD's or reading on guard duty? They should be shot for neglecting their duty. They're not only jeopardizing their lives but the lives of others.:mad:
 
Good post, however I have been in units where you are expected to wear your entire battle rattle from the porta johns to the shower to the chow hall to the phones to wherever. And being caught without one piece of your issue at the shower was as bad as murdering someone.

Call me what you will but if I want too I'm carrying my MT-L if I head over to the sandbox as long as it's authorized. If they don't like it and think it's stupid then thats their opinion, I ain't carrying it for their pleasure. Judge me by my leadership skills, not because of how big a knife I carry. Heck, back when I started my military career I was looked at funny just for carrying a folding knife, that is until someone needed something cut and suddenly I was hero.

Yeah I always read these posts on here that say why take just a sharpened pry bar when I'm better off taking a good knife, a pry bar, a hammer, a shovel, and an ax. Well to that I say, you've never had to ruck the 82nd Airborne packing list have you.

Don’t be like the girl I saw guarding (and I use that term loosely) the phone trailer at Camp Victory. She had on a pressed uniform and 5 knives that I could see. She looked stupid and you will too.

Was she good looking? :)
 
The bizarre irony was that they tried to take away every man's Leatherman, but let them all keep their mil-issue Ka-Bars and bayonets. I'm still puzzled by that one.

Of the two stabbings:
1) Kid stabbed his buddy in the thigh, both stuck to the story that he'd sneezed while sharpening his knife
2) Another stabbed his hoochmate in a fight over who got the last Spaghetti MRE.

-MV

Hearing stories like that when I was seriously thinking about joining turnt me off the whole idea. It sounds like the same babysitting that's done here stateside with kids (young "adults"?) has to be done with soldiers deployed on the other side of the world. A few kids play with their knives and hurt each other, and EVERYONE loses their knives/multitools? Sounds like grade school...How do the mature soldiers put up with it?
 
I have to agree with you 100%. I have been serving in Iraq now for the past 6 months. It is amazing the gear some of these soldiers wear and how they wear it. I am in a transportation company. So, I drive quite a bit around the Baghdad area. Every piece of gear that you have, use, wear needs to be kept to a minimum because if your vehicle gets hit (HET, is what I ride in)it tends to flame up very quickly. You need to un_ss the vehicle fast. So, any gear that is bulky, has straps hanging off, and has protusions coming off of it, can get you hung up on radios, MTS, and just general edges that are in military vehicles. That being said, a good knife, multitool is essential. I came over here with a big custom knife (9 inches of steel), a Ka-bar, and my leatherman. In the last two months, I have sent both fixed blade knives home. I wear only my leatherman and a little 3 inch folding Gerber. So far, so good. Hope this helps some soldier coming over. Save the big bucks for a vacation you choose for yourself when you get home.
 
For some reason this thread brings to my mind the various Civil War memoirs I have read. Almost all of them include a description of the vast amount of gear, including large Bowie knives and such, that was discarded along the path of the first long march.
 
Hearing stories like that when I was seriously thinking about joining turnt me off the whole idea. It sounds like the same babysitting that's done here stateside with kids (young "adults"?) has to be done with soldiers deployed on the other side of the world. A few kids play with their knives and hurt each other, and EVERYONE loses their knives/multitools? Sounds like grade school...How do the mature soldiers put up with it?

You decided not to join because of not being able to carry a knife:jerkit: ? To comment about an account when you have no idea what you are talking about leads me to believe you need to stay in your lane.
 
I've never been to the desert but I did spend some time in the Balkans. I agree with the original poster's comments. A small folder or multitool will go a long way in the military.

Another stabbed his hoochmate in a fight over who got the last Spaghetti MRE.

This is completely stupid behavior. At the very least you'd need to inflict a gunshot wound to win a fight over the last spaghetti MRE. Loser gets the "vomlette" MRE.
 
You decided not to join because of not being able to carry a knife:jerkit: ?

That's not the case at all; I don't know how you got that from my post...

To comment about an account when you have no idea what you are talking about leads me to believe you need to stay in your lane.

I took info from a paragraph someone wrote and asked a question about it...are you alright man?:confused:
 
A few kids play with their knives and hurt each other, and EVERYONE loses their knives/multitools? Sounds like grade school...How do the mature soldiers put up with it?

With great aggravation and disgust. I've been in that situation more than once and have grown very tired of it.

Thank you for the first-hand account UncleWillie, and thank you for your service.
 
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