GEC #68 *Buckaroo* (aka Pertinux's Pattern Ramble)

[mrrampro]

This will be a good little addition.

 

[supratentorial]

My pleasure. (There are other equal ended patterns (such as "balloons") but there's no sense muddying up the water in this thread since the discussion is centering on cattle patterns.)

A balloon can be a fancy cattle knife pattern, like a Eureka or a surveyor... There aren't enough Venn diagrams in LGIV.

 

[supratentorial]

A "pattern" is usually defined by both the handle die and the combination of the blades.

Although I quoted Elliot, I know that he knows cattle knives patterns but I thought it might be interesting to others... but it does muddy the waters a bit.

 

[Jack Black]

Thanks for all the "long-windedness". For me, this has been a fascinatinating thread :thumbup:

 

[zippofan]

Thanks for all the "long-windedness". For me, this has been a fascinatinating thread :thumbup:

I'll second that! I've learned so much, and this thread shows me I still have more to learn and I really enjoy doing so.

I still wish GEC would take their equal end frames and make a Scout and Jr. Scout though...please GEC? I'll buy 'em!

 

[C Ben Susrool]

I come from the school of LGIV, and so I think of a Cattle knife under 3 5/8", such as this one proposed, as a "Junior" Cattle knife.
Most old Cattle knives are 3 5/8" to 3 3/4".
The name Buckaroo is very appropriate, with its implication of youth or youthfulness!

Agree with you. :thumbup:

 

[Modoc ED]

I wonder if GEC will add a brass spacer alongside the brass liner and spring on the sheepsfoot blade/spey blade side on their #68 Buckaroo in order to avoid blade crinking as they did on their #66 Calf Roper pictured below. You can see where they doubled-up the liner on the one side.

It shows up as one piece in the picture but is is actually two pieces - a spcer running alongside the spring and another the separate liner running alongside the cover and bolsters.

 

[Will Power]

I come from the school of LGIV, and so I think of a Cattle knife under 3 5/8", such as this one proposed, as a "Junior" Cattle knife.
Most old Cattle knives are 3 5/8" to 3 3/4".
The name Buckaroo is very appropriate, with its implication of youth or youthfulness!

As in Calf Knife or Heifer Buster.... Bullock Equal End..? Calf-Roper of course!

I'd actually just like to see the WO in stainless, such a pocket-knife!

 

[Modoc ED]

I come from the school of LGIV, and so I think of a Cattle knife under 3 5/8", such as this one proposed, as a "Junior" Cattle knife.
Most old Cattle knives are 3 5/8" to 3 3/4".
The name Buckaroo is very appropriate, with its implication of youth or youthfulness!

Yet Levine in LGIV also says Cattle Knives range in size up to 4 1/2" and that the junior sized ones range all the way down to 3 1/4".

What makes the name Buckaroo even more appropriate is that it is another name for cowboy or broncobuster.

Edited to delete the reference to Barlows - wrong thread.

 

[Will Power]

Ed, I thought I heard the Barlows with Clips are in the pipeline, patience!

 

[Blues]

Edited because Ed edited (and it's fun to say real fast...and no longer pertinent)

 

[Modoc ED]

Edited to remove Barlow reference.

 

[quattromori]

Two random thoughts...
First, thanks to Elliott and the others for adding a little piece of knowledge to fulfill the voids of my knife culture
Second, I think the Buckaroo is going to sell alot and raise enthusiasm on this subforum. Personally, I will wait and wish for a two bladed jack on this same frame...

Fausto

 

[pertinux]

Sarah, I learned a long time ago not to make too many judgments about a knife from an image. I've seen Bose knives that didn't look quite right to me in an image that sure looked right as rain in person.

Understood.

The master blade should be long enough to properly fit the frame while the two secondary blades (assuming that it's a double backspring knife), need to be ground just right and crinked (bent) so that they pass one other without rubbing or interference....

I realize I have some reading up to do, but is fitting the blades via crinking a distinctive of a cattle knife, or simply more often the easiest way to fit the blades and thus typical?

Because this certainly looks appealing, as illustrated by Ed:

I wonder if GEC will add a brass spacer alongside the brass liner and spring on the sheepsfoot blade/spey blade side on their #68 Buckaroo in order to avoid blade crinking as they did on their #66 Calf Roper pictured below. You can see where they doubled-up the liner on the one side.

It shows up as one piece in the picture but is is actually two pieces - a spcer running alongside the spring and another the separate liner running alongside the cover and bolsters.

Fausto,

Two random thoughts...
First, thanks to Elliott and the others for adding a little piece of knowledge to fulfill the voids of my knife culture

Absolutely!

Second, I think the Buckaroo is going to sell alot and raise enthusiasm on this subforum. Personally, I will wait and wish for a two bladed jack on this same frame....

Does the idea of an equal-end 3.5" two-bladed jack appeal to you more than a 3.5" serpentine (a la the #66 Jacks)? And if so, in what way? (<-- genuine curiosity)

Hmmm, maybe a PM, lest we stray from Buckaroos and cattle knives. However, in the bigger picture, the different configurations on the #66 frame does give one hope for continued variety on the #68.

~ P.

 

[Blues]

You'll generally find crinked blades, Sarah, on cattle and stock knives as a rule (where two backsprings are used. Another method of allowing two blades to pass one another from opposite ends on a single backspring is via the use of catch bits. But I'll let the likes of Ken Erickson or Tony Bose or Charlie or Eric explain that one as it's running a bit far afield for your thread on the Buckaroo imho.

Buck avoids crinking by using three backsprings. The knife in Ed's image avoids the issue via the added width of the extra brass liner to offset the blade/tang.
It all depends on what you like and what you consider either acceptable or elegant. They all work.

 

[pertinux]

Thanks, Elliott.

You've answered my "distinctive, or typical" question, and then some.

~ P.

 

[Peter Parker]

That should be a nice cattleknife anyway the sheepsfoot looks to almost be a copping blade!

 

[JAlexander]

Yet Levine in LGIV also says Cattle Knives range in size up to 4 1/2" and that the junior sized ones range all the way down to 3 1/4".

What makes the name Buckaroo even more appropriate is that it is another name for cowboy or broncobuster.

Sadly, I don't own any cattle knives (yet) or stockmen (stockmans? Whatever.) but I can say that I didn't hear buckaroo used to refer to a cowboy until I was an adult. It does have a youthful connotation, probably due to 'My Little Buckaroo.' Buckaroo comes from the Spanish word vaquero, which means cowherd. Or cowboy, depending on who you ask and how pedantic they may be. So cowboy and buckaroo are more or less synonymous, since both refer to someone who works on horseback caring for cattle. There are differences in clothing, equipment, ornamentation, and style, but the lines are blurring because of rodeo and media. Regardless of what GEC calls the pattern, I'd be more likely to buy one if it came with a spear master blade.

Was that too long-winded?

 

[Blues]

Sadly, I don't own any cattle knives (yet) or stockmen (stockmans? Whatever.) (snippage) Regardless of what GEC calls the pattern, I'd be more likely to buy one if it came with a spear master blade.

Was that too long-winded?

What? You call yourself a Texan?

[foghorn leghorn]"Boy, I say boy, drop down and gimme fifty...[/foghorn leghorn]

Son, you gonna need all that wind just for the fifty...And don't let me hear that you don't own a stockman or cattle knife again or we'll be shipping you up to Baffin Island for the winter.

 

[JAlexander]

What? You call yourself a Texan?

[foghorn leghorn]"Boy, I say boy, drop down and gimme fifty...[/foghorn leghorn]

Son, you gonna need all that wind just for the fifty...And don't let me hear that you don't own a stockman or cattle knife again or we'll be shipping you up to Baffin Island for the winter.

Hey, I had a thing. And then some more stuff. But yessir, I'll get after that ASAP.

*grin*