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I see the similarities and this could be the case, however because the knife appears to be somewhat "old" I just can't find an exact match online.
And while the back swept guard, and the "button" pommel both speak to German military daggers, that's about where the similarities end!!!
The fluted handle, deep cut choil and weak, if not abandoned, fuller... I mean unless there's so much blade wear that it's almost gone!!!!.... are just not found on any German daggers that I can find!!! Paratrooper or for that matter, any branch of military or not. The lack of blade development as far as I can tell in the pics, points to something homemade, regardless of how many "identical" knives the owner claims to have!!! I was asked to make an offer on this blade and I believe I'm going to simply pass!!!
Sorry for the pic trouble!!!
Thanks so much for all of your and everyone's help!!!
It's appreciated!!!
And while the back swept guard, and the "button" pommel both speak to German military daggers, that's about where the similarities end!!!
The fluted handle, deep cut choil and weak, if not abandoned, fuller... I mean unless there's so much blade wear that it's almost gone!!!!.... are just not found on any German daggers that I can find!!! Paratrooper or for that matter, any branch of military or not. The lack of blade development as far as I can tell in the pics, points to something homemade, regardless of how many "identical" knives the owner claims to have!!! I was asked to make an offer on this blade and I believe I'm going to simply pass!!!
Sorry for the pic trouble!!!
Thanks so much for all of your and everyone's help!!!
It's appreciated!!!
Just FYI
Just FYI.... I finally found a website selling these in pretty fair condition as Vintage "70's/80's...... Dagger"...... for $9.99!!!Muela Caribou double edged boar hunters knife. Muela makes several varieties of this style. Different handles and sizes. Spanish.
Apparently the photos I received AND posted, we're of one of these that had been either naturally or intentionally distressed and attempting to be passed off as an item of value!!!
I believe you were on the mark with your "Medieval Replica" assessment as it appears obvious that the blade on this thing had been chromed!!!
Anyway, just thought you might be interested in knowing what I discovered.
Thanks again!!!
Indian, 60's - 70's. The aluminum mounts, horn grip, pin work, sheath type (leather type, thickness, and construction), and the washed outness of the blade points to this.
- Here's a pair of 60's, 70's Indian daggers, note the aluminum fittings and similar ringed with pins decoration.
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Indian Arkansas Toothpick of the 1970's, 1980's. Note some similarities in scabbard.
Seaport Traders of California, and an Indian firm called Doon Steelcrafts were big importers and exporters (respectively) of this type of stuff.
Indian Arkansas Toothpick of the 1970's, 1980's. Note some similarities in scabbard.
Seaport Traders of California, and an Indian firm called Doon Steelcrafts were big importers and exporters (respectively) of this type of stuff.
Cant see pic.
From your description, it might be a German paratroopers gravity knife.
Be aware, that some jurisdictions label these as illegal.
Ze Germans didnt have 'Commandos' - that was the other side
Incorrect. German did have "Kammondos". Also, "commandos" is a name of units, but also a generic term for a type/tasking of unit, where paratroopers (often, especially in WW2 era) depending on the unit, easily meet the requirements to be considered "Commandos".
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Thanks!!!Indian, 60's - 70's. The aluminum mounts, horn grip, pin work, sheath type (leather type, thickness, and construction), and the washed outness of the blade points to this.
- Here's a pair of 60's, 70's Indian daggers, note the aluminum fittings and similar ringed with pins decoration.
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Indian Arkansas Toothpick of the 1970's, 1980's. Note some similarities in scabbard.
Seaport Traders of California, and an Indian firm called Doon Steelcrafts were big importers and exporters (respectively) of this type of stuff.
I definitely see the similarities!!!
Like I said, I found some of these online for $9.99 in relatively good shape, and while I really have no particular desire to own one, I've now imvested so much time in trying to figure out what just what they are that I broke down and ordered one a few moments ago!!!
I guess I need some closure!!!..... at least ten bucks worth anyway!!!
I'll certainly post some decent pics of it once it arrives!!!
Thanks again for the help!!!
Thanks Gideons!!!.... I appreciate your time and input!!!
I and others stand corrected!!!
Thanks again!!!
Take Care!!!
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Im not saying, that you are wrong....
but you are wrong.
First of all, there is no such German word as 'Kammondos.'
That word is something, you grab out of thin air.
Further more, British units are called 'Commandos' and to this day wear patches to that effect.
The word Commando harks back to the 'Boer Kommandos,' which were fast agile bands of Boer settlers on horseback raiding British forces and in general wreaking havoc.
The Germans in WWII had special units (like most armies) - the 'Brandenburgers' etc amongst them - but these units were never called Commandos, which was sort of my point.
Further more, it would sort of kind of have been just a tad inconvenient for the Germans to have own forces called Commandos/Kommandos, since Adolf himself personally signed an infamous order to kill all Commandos on sight when caught - uniforms or not - as he absolutely hated the bad press from the Commando raids on German occupied soil.
This order was called the 'Kommandobefehl.'
"Mit dem Kommandobefehl erging am 18. Oktober 1942 die Weisung Adolf Hitler, Angehörige alliierter Kommandotrups (engl. Commandos) unverzüglich zu töten oder dem Sicherheitsdienst der Reichführer SS (SD) zu übergeben.Der Befehl wurde von der Abteilung Wehrmachtstab im Oberkommando der Wehrmacht (OKW) als „Geheime Kommandosache“ ausgefertigt, von Hitler unterzeichnet und in zwölf Ausfertigungen an höchste Wehrmachtstellen verteilt."
Q&D translation:
AH ordered in 1942, that all Allied Commandos were to be shot on sight or handed over to the SS/SD.
The orders were fleshed out in the general staff of the Wehrmacht, signed by AH and distributed to front brass.
As this is General Knife Discussion (and not General History Lesson 1.1), we need to keep this about knives.
I wont take any further part in this OT discussion with you.
If you want to debate further, you are welcome to start a thread in the appropriate forum.
Think of it this way, like I said Commando could be by name of unit, or tasking. Canadian Special Operations Regiment, are sometimes referred to as "commandos", despite commando not being in there name. This is because when you look into the definition of a "commando" it is an elite infantry or SOF force trained in unconventional warfare, raids, parachuting, special reconnaissance among other tasking/training. Thus, you don't have to be the name "commando" in your unit title to be one. Your reference to "kammondos" was a typo, I meant "kommando's" also, when you read about the brandenburgers, or SS parachute units, they are often refereed to as using "commando style tactics/raids". Thus, I understand what you mean, however as I clearly stated in my last post and which you ignored... You can be a commando without your unit having "commando" in it's title. That is like saying(example), Navy SEALs isn't a SOF because it doesn't have special operations in its title... You were the one to incorrectly nitpick the post about "how germany didn't have commando's". I would also primarily refer to them as "paratroopers", however I'm just showing you that technically, the gentlemen who started this thread isn't incorrect.
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