General learning question

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After browsing some of the other areas of this forum, I realized that I'm not nearly as good as I thought I was. I am the best knifemaker I know personally, but there are some great makers here, and I want to get some of that knowledge.

How does a mediocre/advanced knifemaker gain some high end knowledge in order to improve his craft to the next level?
 
Well grasshopper, I know that the best way to learn is to teach.... SOOOOO If I were you I would try to teach us newbies how to make great knives and in doing so we will teach you each and every managable way to screw things up!

We do not charge for this service however we do accept tips in the form of tutorials.

I know I am being a bit silly but there is truth to what I say. I also think that challenging yourself is very important, never rest on your laurels (if that is how you spell it) Try to make every knife better in some way. Always strive to be the best which is what it seems like you're doing.

There are some amazing knife makers here, the talent is awesome and by simply spending time with these fine folk you cannot help but to improve no matter how good you are.

Good luck in your quest.
Keith
 
I appreciate the advice. I think part of the problem is inferior equipment, but I don't know if it's my tecnique. I need to seek out other people in Dallas that would be willing to get together and share ideas.
I did do that last year, but this person knew everything about everything, and had no problem telling you about it.:jerkit: The problem is, I knew better. He did teach me some things, but I think overall I am less intelligent for being around him. lol

Anyone know any nice knifemakers in the Dallas area?:)
 
you can always learn something form every person u meet its up to you to pick out what is worth knowing. (i read that somewhere,it seems to ring true!)
 
The more other metal craftspeople you watch/assist/learn from the greater the base of experience you will gain. If there is one thing I have learned from my own work, watching Albert Paley, working as a goldsmith, and getting to share an anvil with some very talented knifesmiths, metal is metal. Each has it's own properties, and each application has it's specific goals and parameters (and myth's, old smiths tales and downright hooey). You learn from reading, asking questions and interacting with other smiths regardless of whether you are being taught or teaching. Take what is said and done, experiment with it and find out what actually works. Make that your own, but be open to having it debunked if it is wrong

Just my opinion

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You aren't far from The Moran School of Bladesmithing, in Old Washington, Arkansas. A couple of weeks there and you will refine your skills razor sharp. Many of the best teachers in the country are there.
Stacy

Added: They can probably undo the damage done by pimpinsquee.
 
Put on your nomex and steel underwear and ask a maker, collector you respect for their honest opinion on how you need to improve your knives. I always have my prototypes field tested by different users to see how my knife performs and can be improved.

Teaching is a great way to learn. Pretty much anyone is welcome to come by and whomp steel with me providing I'm not in crisis mode.

1, it gives them an appreciation for the end result.
2, educates them so they are better able to understand what they want from a knife
3. I have to know my stuff and my technique because they're going to see me demonstrate a technique.

Experiment, don't be afraid to try something you've seen or read.

Get a sketch book and draw knives, you may not have the techniques at the moment to fullfill your dreams but what better encouragement than to see a design waiting to be born?

I'm sorry but "equipment" is an excuse. Look at Tai Goo, Tim Lively and the other high end neo tribal guys. Look at the fine blades from the past, the makers of the past would kill to have a freaking drill press and the quality files and sandpaper we have today.

Goal setting is important. Set a long term goal for what you want to be able to make, make short term goals that will fullfill your ability to complete your long term goal. Don't just say "I want to be able to make and do such and such" , fine that's your long term goal, what do you have to learn in the meantime? Engraving? Japanese polishing? filing? Put in some short term goals so you can see yourself progressing.

Don't try to do everything in one big shot. Kinda like doing a new heat treat process, don't change everything at once, make 1 change at a time. So perfect each part of the knife then move on to the next. Get your plunge cuts perfect then get your handle/tang/bolster fit perfect. Perfect your finishing technique and so on.

For me knifemaking isn't really a trip with a defined end, it's a journey with all sorts of neat side trips that may lead you to a more interesting path than what you originally set forth on.

Well sorry for the babble, I just finished off a giant energy drink.

Will
formerly known as badbamaump
 
Hello Dave. Ask questions. Always ask questions. 99% of us are more than willing to answer them. If you are ever in Oklahoma City you are welcome to stop by my shop, just shoot me an e-mail. Also as Stacy said you are about a three hour drive from Old Washington, AR and the bladesmithing school. Check out some of the classes or come up for the hammer in, May 3 and4. Usually if I have a problem area I will call someone and ask and get their thoughts on it.

Brion
 
Along with all the other great suggestions, I would recommend exposing yourself to those makers that inspire you. One of the reasons that a number of us in the Northwest got better quickly was that we "fed off each other", meaning that one would make or do something, and then would call the others and tell them about it, then someone would take it one step further, etc.

Another method of exposing yourself is to attend some of the MAJOR knife shows, Hammer-Ins, or anywhere else where you can find a gathering of the makers you admire. Finally, theres the option of taking classes (if they offer them) from one of those makers.

Often times you hear the phrase "paying your dues" within the knife world. That is just not about time. Over my career as a Bladesmith I would estimate that I have spent $15,000+ going to various events that exposed me to the makers/knives that inspired me....and every penny of it was money well spent. Even at the level I'm at today, I still get fired up with new directions and ideas whenever I attend a major show or Hammer-in. The trick is to NEVER say "thats good enough" about any knife you make. Always strive for the next level, and sooner or later you will achieve it.

I will concede that your equipment can be a help or a hindrance, but, all of the equipment in the world will not make up for drive and determination. As I always tell my students.... I can do anything by hand that the equipment does....it just takes me a lot longer. If you feel your equipment needs upgrading, make that one of your goals, and use the money you make from selling knives to finance it. I spent the first 5 years of my knifemaking career, putting everything I made right back into the shop. Unless something breaks down, all I have to worry about now are the consumables.
 
All great advice, and I appreciate it all. I guess I just need to figure out where these people will be so I can get around them. The Bill Moran school is actually a goal I have already set for myself, I just need to get the money together and go do it.

Oklahoma City is not an area I get to very often anymore (I used to race motorcycles in Hallett alot) but I would make a drive up there to your shop some weekend since I got an invitation :D

And the same goes for any of you if you are ever in the Dallas area.

Thanks again,

Dave
 
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