Generic edge pro

[FCM415]

Nice try... But before you allude to someone being a liar, try doing some research first. Since you have been in contact with him in the past, how about contact him and ask him for yourself. Ask him about our conversation about the original thread last week that he read in its entirety since I linked it to him for review. Its gonna be funny when calling the guy uneducated and having deteriorated fires back.

Tsk, tsk...

For your reference:
Sent By:

"Benton Dale" <edgepro@gorge.net> On: Dec 12/03/12 10:34 PM
To: name@comcast.net

 

[FCM415]

Reference: My original email to Ben Dale:


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edge pro copy
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name@comcast.net On: Dec 12/03/12 3:41 PM
To: edgepro@gorge.net

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Ben,

I own an edge pro, and I'm a member of bladeforums. I got into a heated discussion about your product and its china counterfeit. I'm sharing with you a link on the thread. My member name is FCM415. Tell me what you think.

Regards,
Name

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-this-sharpener-seem-any-good-(Picture-heavy)

 

[FCM415]

Stitchawl's claim: FAIL

Looks like one closed thread isn't enough, you're not done with me yet huh? Go ahead, prove me wrong...There is a way to see. And dont come back with "what , you really think I'll email Ben Dale for this?" Well, PUT UP OR SHUT UP, you're supposed to be about "blunt truth" and not agenda truth right? Shouldn't call someone out when you dont have all the bases covered. Handle it big boy.

All I did was answer the OP's question as best I see fit. Ben's take on it, owning both, and developing the original has to account for something, even if it may be argued as "jaded". That's one of Stichawl's complaints, that I failed to help the OP answer the question. Well, I played by his rules this time...Don't know what gives.

 

[cbwx34]

Name,

I like what most of posters had to say about the EP. I have one of the Chinese machines and it is not even close to the Apex. The people who copied it did not understand how it works so they mad a lot of mistakes. The stones are to long for the plates, so as soon as you tighten the knob, it pushes the stone off of the plate. Then you have to cut the stone before you put it back on or it will just happen again. The stone blanks are plastic, so as soon as the stone start to wear, they will break. There is no stop on the end of the STONE ARM so the stone can drop over the edge and take a chunk out of your edge. The GUIDE PLATE is to wide so sharpening any knife, where you have to turn the tip over the edge of the machine, will very difficult. The suction cups are junk and they used a very cheep plastic. Best of all they copied the old Apex, the new on has a vastly upgraded PIVOT System, this alone would separate the machines. I just don't want someone to buy one, thinking it is a Edge Pro.

Thanks for the info.

Ben

In looking at the pics of the "generic" Edge Pro, the points in this email appear correct, at least the ones I can see in the photos. The original EP is well thought out, and points like how wide the guide plate is, the new pivot, etc. are all important.

My original EP has lasted many years, so while the initial cost may be higher, it certainly has balanced out in longevity. The "you get what you pay for" is almost always valid, so if it's something you plan on using for a long time, I'd probably go with the original.

 

[J. Hoffman]

I am not looking to flame anyone. Just looking for intelligent reasons as to why or why not this system would be as good as the real thing. If its junk then I don't want it. I hate when the explanation is just simply becouse its made in china vs USA. If the real thing is better then I will most definately buy the real thing but, I work really hard for my money and if I can save a few bucks and still get a quality product then thats what I want to do. I am not a cheap skate by any means. I definately want quality. I was hoping someone who has bought this system would chime in and let me know something about it.

Ben Dale works really hard for his money also, and he is being undercut and ripped off by these cheap Chinese copies. You are helping to rip him off if you buy the cheap copy. (plus it's a POS)

 

[Morrow]

stichawl and FCM415

You two take your nonsense somewhere else. Anymore silliness and you'll just be sent on your way.

Jason

 

[romad97]

Ben Dale works really hard for his money also, and he is being undercut and ripped off by these cheap Chinese copies. You are helping to rip him off if you buy the cheap copy. (plus it's a POS)

I never aluded to anything that would even be remotely constrewed to insinuate that Ben Dale does not work hard for his money. He might very well have the best sharpening system on the planet, I do not know. I simply posted a question desireing the pros and cons, preferably from those who own one of the generic models. I never tried to flame anyone or throw rocks at anyone. I think people are way too sensitive about this subject and I deeply appologize for bringing it up. I thought that this was a knife forum for all of us to share information and help educate each other. I will refrain from future posts asking anything other than how great products are that are made in the USA. Before I get flamed, let me also state that I am a die hard American. I am a 16 year active duty military man and I love my country. Competition makes our country great though and if someone is producing a better or equal product for cheaper, then so be it, that doesn't make someone a bad person for not supporting something made in the USA. If this were the case, the majority of Americans would be traitors as foreign cars have dominated the automotive market for years now.

 

[FCM415]

I do not think that Mooseyard or anyone else here are criticizing you. He was just letting you know what he thought about it. And yeah, half of the average house is probably made in china. I have a couple of made in china knives, no problem. It's not about that. I agree with everything you said about fairness. I'm with you. The item in question is a counterfeit, blatantly ripped off. I cannot say much more about the subject and I must apologize to BF as I am not here for conflict. My first response to you was respectful and civil and hoped to keep it that way. At least you weren't called a liar. I hope your questions were answered nonetheless and hope you stick around. I have learned alot from these fine folks around here.

 

[grizzled gizzard]

I never aluded to anything that would even be remotely constrewed to insinuate that Ben Dale does not work hard for his money. He might very well have the best sharpening system on the planet, I do not know. I simply posted a question desireing the pros and cons, preferably from those who own one of the generic models. I never tried to flame anyone or throw rocks at anyone. I think people are way too sensitive about this subject and I deeply appologize for bringing it up. I thought that this was a knife forum for all of us to share information and help educate each other. I will refrain from future posts asking anything other than how great products are that are made in the USA. Before I get flamed, let me also state that I am a die hard American. I am a 16 year active duty military man and I love my country. Competition makes our country great though and if someone is producing a better or equal product for cheaper, then so be it, that doesn't make someone a bad person for not supporting something made in the USA. If this were the case, the majority of Americans would be traitors as foreign cars have dominated the automotive market for years now.

Please, you don't need to feel sorry or be defensive.

Did you look at the information provided?

Do you have additional questions?

 

[romad97]

Please, you don't need to feel sorry or be defensive.

Did you look at the information provided?

Do you have additional questions?

Yes sir. A lot of my questions have been answered on this product. People are passionate about things and that is great. I am passionate about things as well. In regards to the sharpener, I agree with a lot of the points made. If its a cheaply made plastic hunk of jumk I don't want it. Another option I have been looking at is a WE. I can get a 40% discount on WE. I am just trying to make an educated purchase and I do appreciate all the input.

 

[grizzled gizzard]

I have not heard of any such deep discounts on the WE. Just because I don't know about it doesn't mean much, but I think you would be well advised to go to the WE forum, now that you are thinking about it as well. There are some awesome sharpeners there. I didn't know CBW is a mod there, but I have a lot of respect for him too.

Ben doesn't have a forum, because he doesn't need one. If you are having the slightest difficulty, he invites direct phone calls.

I hope you find what you are earnestly looking for.

 

[Allen R.]

Call (541) 387-2222 and ask these people what they think of the chinese edge pro! BTW I just talked to them and they are cool with me posting their number and said sure give them a call, Ben wasn't in yet I talked to Chris I believe, I told him about the thread and he said sure anyone with questions about the chinese version is more than welcome to give them a call. I'm gonna post what i posted on the other thread about the knock offs , why would you buy a friggin knock off sure your saving some bucks , but if you don't have the cash get a lansky or sharpmaker , don't go for some chinese crap that steals some hard working americans ideas. If you wanna save money don't buy knock offs buy a real system just down grade what you wanna buy. Friends don't let friends support Chinese blatant rip offs of a great american product, Unless of course you are going to use your knock off edge pro to sharpen your knock off chinese CRk or strider, and If that's the case hen be my guest, It'll probably ruin your knives anyway. Makes me sick that all these knock offs are floating around everywhere :barf:

 

[romad97]

Call (541) 387-2222 and ask these people what they think of the chinese edge pro! BTW I just talked to them and they are cool with me posting their number and said sure give them a call, Ben wasn't in yet I talked to Chris I believe, I told him about the thread and he said sure anyone with questions about the chinese version is more than welcome to give them a call. I'm gonna post what i posted on the other thread about the knock offs , why would you buy a friggin knock off sure your saving some bucks , but if you don't have the cash get a lansky or sharpmaker , don't go for some chinese crap that steals some hard working americans ideas. If you wanna save money don't buy knock offs buy a real system just down grade what you wanna buy. Friends don't let friends support Chinese blatant rip offs of a great american product, Unless of course you are going to use your knock off edge pro to sharpen your knock off chinese CRk or strider, and If that's the case hen be my guest, It'll probably ruin your knives anyway. Makes me sick that all these knock offs are floating around everywhere :barf:

So do you feel the same way about the Japanese and their automobiles? Or any other foregn country that provides goods to American consumers? All I can say to your response is wow, thats pretty shallow. I think I am officially done with this forum. It just seems to me that there are too many people who are emotionally charged up to ever get any real unbiased opinions on things. I thought this was going to be a great place to have educated discussions with people who know a lot more than me about knives and everything else related. I guess I assumed way too much. Thanks but no thanks.

 

[wvdavidr]

So do you feel the same way about the Japanese and their automobiles? Or any other foregn country that provides goods to American consumers?

I have bought Japanese automobiles and other foreign-made products. I have some nice Japanese knives. I don't buy knock-offs (counterfeits) e.g. fake Rolex, L.V. handbags for my wife, etc.. There's a HUGE difference.

Back to the point: I believe Bladeforums readers and contributers will be best advised to buy the real thing. I have used one for years and it's well-made and works well. The stones fit and work well. The suction cups stick as they are supposed to. Most knock-offs have serious compromises to meet the price point. I'm willing to believe members who have used the Chinese knock-off; I don't want to waste my money to test this.

Good sharpening,
David

 

[wvdavidr]

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[BluntCut MetalWorks]

I have bought Japanese automobiles and other foreign-made products. I have some nice Japanese knives. I don't buy knock-offs (counterfeits) e.g. fake Rolex, L.V. handbags for my wife, etc.. There's a HUGE difference.

Valid points. But the device in discussion is not a fake/counterfeit EP, it's just a no-name clone. It seems legit as Costco selling generic claritin.

Back to the point: I believe Bladeforums readers and contributers will be best advised to buy the real thing. I have used one for years and it's well-made and works well. The stones fit and work well. The suction cups stick as they are supposed to. Most knock-offs have serious compromises to meet the price point. I'm willing to believe members who have used the Chinese knock-off; I don't want to waste my money to test this.

Agree on the merit of EP quality & performance attributes over this cloner. I think romad97 & others were looking for this type of contributing reasons.

 

[grizzled gizzard]

So do you feel the same way about the Japanese and their automobiles? Or any other foregn country that provides goods to American consumers? All I can say to your response is wow, thats pretty shallow. I think I am officially done with this forum. It just seems to me that there are too many people who are emotionally charged up to ever get any real unbiased opinions on things. I thought this was going to be a great place to have educated discussions with people who know a lot more than me about knives and everything else related. I guess I assumed way too much. Thanks but no thanks.

You don't find anything in this thread informative? How can that be? There are people here who have used the Chinese version, and simply found it unacceptable, and they stated reasons. That doesn't meat your requirements for "unbiased opinions"?

Sure you're going to get a lot of patriotic answers. That doesn't mean they are wrong. I think several people have tried pretty hard to answer your questions to the best of their ability.

This thread is certainly better than the last one. We all learned from that one and this one.

I mean, damn, you were right there until Allen's post. I don't think he was bashing foreign countries or products, he just feels strongly about this particularly blatant product and the original. Nothing to get upset about.

I think there have been guys eager to help, and your question has been answered.

Good luck.

 

[Robert1_1]

So will the authentic EP stones work in the clone? From what I've heard the clone stones are crap. Just trying to make lemonade out of lemons&#8212;maybe at least some folks would then buy stones & accesories from Ben that otherwise would buy nothing because the EP price is out of reach. I hope I'm not being too incendiary.

 

[romad97]

You don't find anything in this thread informative? How can that be? There are people here who have used the Chinese version, and simply found it unacceptable, and they stated reasons. That doesn't meat your requirements for "unbiased opinions"?

Sure you're going to get a lot of patriotic answers. That doesn't mean they are wrong. I think several people have tried pretty hard to answer your questions to the best of their ability.

This thread is certainly better than the last one. We all learned from that one and this one.

I mean, damn, you were right there until Allen's post. I don't think he was bashing foreign countries or products, he just feels strongly about this particularly blatant product and the original. Nothing to get upset about.

I think there have been guys eager to help, and your question has been answered.

Good luck.

I absolutely agree, some have offered up some extremely informative information. In fact, I have been persuaded not to buy the generic one becouse of some of the responses I got here. As far as being a patriotic person, I take a little offense to that. I am a 16 year active duty military man with 10 combat deployments to date. I love my country just as much as the next guy but, I will not go on a rant about products simply based upon who or where they are manufactured. I am not upset either. I would call it more of dissapointment in the way some people present themselves. I appreciate all of the feedback both posotive and negative. I just don't care for biased unrational opinions simply based upon where something comes from. If something is a piece of junk its a piece of junk. Its a piece of junk becouse of its quality not simply becouse its manufactured somewhere other than the USA.

 

[FCM415]

Valid points. But the device in discussion is not a fake/counterfeit EP, it's just a no-name clone. It seems legit as Costco selling generic claritin.

So how about them Sebenza/Hinderer/Strider fakes? Just label it as "clones" and its totally legit as some pharmaceutical in Costco.

Half my house is foreign made. Both my cars are Japanese and I don't feel bad that Americans developed the mass production auto industry. There is an inherent difference, and I'm about to get banned for my positions and so be it.