GenIII rope pattern????

dobywon

dobywon

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I have heard around here that Busse can no longer do the rope patten scales like on the GenIII handles.

Why???

Wasnt there some SHSJ's at the last two knob creeks, and didnt they have the rope pattern scales?

Also doesnt the M9LE have a rope pattern?

Can anyone shed some light for me?
 
According to Garth, they no longer have the tooling necessary to do rope cuts on the GenIII handles. They did however have a few sets of GenIII slabs left, mostly in black canvas, and have been using those.

They may have done some new tooling/coding for more recent slab styles, but according to Garth, no more rope GenIII's.
 
I'mGatMan! said:
According to Garth, they no longer have the tooling necessary to do rope cuts on the GenIII handles.
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I was told the same thing concerning the quilted ergo handles.

I can't imagine they actually destroyed or discarded the tooling for two of the most popular handle patterns ever.
 
Matteo Escobar said:
I was told the same thing concerning the quilted ergo handles.

I can't imagine they actually destroyed or discarded the tooling for two of the most popular handle patterns ever.
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Usually its a change in the supply of parts that end an engineered process. Maybe the tooling for making the stuff was an expendible that is no longer a resource, or cannot be replaced. I don't think they mean to say they threw away machinery.
 
So what pattern do you guys consider the M9LE to be?

It sure looks like rope pattern to me.
 
My guess is that they switched CAD software on their mills and can't easily convert the gen 3 pattern over. They could probably re-program it in a day, but don't want to take the time since the gen 3 handle is largely obsolete.
 
I think they could do Gen. III handle patterns again, but dont want to. The SHSJ's that have been coming out of the shop dont have the pattern going all the way through the handle, like the older ones did.
 
360joules said:
My guess is that they switched CAD software on their mills and can't easily convert the gen 3 pattern over. They could probably re-program it in a day, but don't want to take the time since the gen 3 handle is largely obsolete.
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it might be a little harder to do on the newer knives, since they don't have flat scales like the ergo's did. with the ergo's, you could run a criss cross cut across a slab, then do the edges, round off the corners and you were more or less done. with the newer handles you have to do the third axis positioning. I just think the pattern doesn't fit as well on the current handle styles.
 
the rope style handles is very unique and looks like it would fit well, in hand, i like the old school busse handles and blade shapes, that is the way it is for most knives that i desire and look for.
 
dobywon said:
So what pattern do you guys consider the M9LE to be?

It sure looks like rope pattern to me.
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Nope, not the same. Doesn't feel the same or really look the same if you look close. I just examined my own M9LE (the survivor) v. 4 of my original rope-handled Gen IIIs.

The comparison isn't easy because all 4 of my old-style Gen IIIs are snakeskin, which makes the visual comparison tough. However, running my fingers over them they feel very different. The Gen III rope cut is smoother and somehow more three dimensional.

Don't know if that helps.
 
I really wish they could bring the snake and rope cut pattern back from the dead!
 
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I hope I can jump in here. This thread reinforces that people like machined handles, but does anybody else do them besides Busse? I can't think of any off the top of my head, not to mention doing it in so many patterns and just being at the state where its a trademark or hallmark associated with Busse so strongly. One more reason I want to get a Busse...more interest because of detailed handles.---Joe
 
360joules said:
My guess is that they switched CAD software on their mills and can't easily convert the gen 3 pattern over. They could probably re-program it in a day, but don't want to take the time since the gen 3 handle is largely obsolete.
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Yeah, something like that. We had a few left laying around. That's where the Knob Creek stuff comes from.


Garth
 
ssunfish said:
I hope I can jump in here. This thread reinforces that people like machined handles, but does anybody else do them besides Busse? I can't think of any off the top of my head, not to mention doing it in so many patterns and just being at the state where its a trademark or hallmark associated with Busse so strongly. One more reason I want to get a Busse...more interest because of detailed handles.---Joe
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Benchmade machined these handles on a produciton knife.
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EDIT: thought the large picture was a bit tacky here. removed for link.
 
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Yes... we have some handles of the older models....but that means that the AWESOME Custom crew grinds sweet INFI to fit those sweet handles...

and if it Knob Creek or Blade Show ...yea for you all...:):)

If you really think that we have all of the old patterns (way before me and Garth)....You are crazy cause....well if you think about it...JERRY BUSSE started this company a long time ago and has designed ....well....Knives that are well...AWESOME:):)

however he started this company with nothing.. but a dream to be the best darn knifemaker in the world...and well he did it....and we have expanded...

So the circle keeps a going...and he still makes the best knives in the world...

That is why we do what we do...

We are a humble place and I have pride that we take each and every order and make each and every knife per what you all want:thumbup:

I myself Likey this....:thumbup:

Jerry Busse is a always changing his amazing designs and he listions to YOU All...That is why I love my JOB:)

Amy-0
 
Truthfully, I used to wonder if all the hype about the old knives was a bunch of purist malarky until I got the gifted badger. Now I know that someof those older designs really are amazingly ergonomic.

However, I like that Jerry and crew are always creating. The true measure of a passionate creator is that he/she is always looking to the next thing. When asked whih of hisnpoems he considered his favorite, Yusef Komunyaakaa replied, "the next one." I can dig that.

We all have our favorites, and mostly for reasons that are very much our own. IMHO knives are very personal things. They have to work for the individual owner. Robin's thread last night is a perfect illustration of that: the old SH knives work best for her. I can dig that as well.

It would be nice if Jerry had been able to keep all those old codes, but the fact is that because he doesn't have them, he has to create fresh new designs. We all know that the fresh new designs are one of the big reasons why we stick around here day after day. What's next boss man? It might not work for me, but I guarantee whatever it is, it'll work for some.
 
Oh, thanks Ron...but kinda looks like they stole the idea...not necessarily, but I don't associate that machining with that company.
I like what gat said about the next thing will work for some, the crazy thing is when its all done and then people (like me) show up a day late and a dollar short and really really want the last model or two back. Or don't like the Hellrazor and then later really really like it..it was just too unconventional at first but "grows" on one. I have no reservations about the company, and I have liked the Tank Buster from what I saw of it since I saw it the first time. New stuff is good, happy are they who have past things they like. Its the next thing we are interested in learning, it's fresh around here for sure. I appreciate everyone who posts threads and includes pictures..this forum is about my only exposure to Busse knives, thanks!--Joe
 
By the looks of these, they may have got it figured out.:thumbup:
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