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German knife company Böker knocks off Becker handles...

Discussion in 'Becker Knife & Tool' started by maethor, Jan 13, 2015.

  1. Trabireiter

    Trabireiter

    57
    Mar 10, 2008
    They do lots of collabs with approval of the original maker. But for these knives the original maker is mentioned in the text or even on the blade.
     
  2. RX-79G

    RX-79G

    Jun 23, 2006
    I seriously doubt any real legal action could take place. It is almost impossible to patent a shape.

    And if Boker can't legally make a Becker shaped scale, neither can all those custom handle makers you all love so much.
     
  3. Noswad0208

    Noswad0208

    Sep 8, 2014
    99.9999% of the time those custom handle makers have permission, and they're made of different materials and all have a certain custom flair to them. It's significantly different than Boker making an exact copy of the Becker handles for a knife that isn't a Becker.
     
  4. RX-79G

    RX-79G

    Jun 23, 2006
    Hey, I'm not defending Boker. I think it is lame of them to copy the Becker handle. I'm just saying that there isn't much to do about it, legally.

    I few emails to Boker by knife buying consumers would likely have the largest effect. That and Kabar management reaching out to Boker management. Boker probably has a few designs they don't want Kabar to "borrow" either.
     
  5. Noswad0208

    Noswad0208

    Sep 8, 2014
    I know what you mean.

    I like the way you think. :D
     
  6. Angus McGunnigle

    Angus McGunnigle

    795
    Jan 1, 2013
    Fartenmesser ??? I would not buy it even if it wasn't stealing designs.
     
  7. daizee

    daizee KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 30, 2009
    I believe this would fall under trademark law, not patent, at least in the US.

    Interesting point about the custom handle scales. Normally I only think about the knife profile, which then gets handles stuck onto. Of course it was only recently that you could buy replacement scales of ANY kind from Ka-bar (micarta), and only in the last week that these other factory replacements showed up. Is it the knife that defines the shape or the scales themselves? Or both? (that's rhetorical, I REALLY don't want to over-complicate this)
     
  8. KenHash

    KenHash Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 11, 2014
    Strictly curious, where are Magum and Boker Plus made other than China?
     
  9. Bladite

    Bladite ǝɹnsıǝן ɟo uɐɯǝןʇuǝb Moderator

    Feb 28, 2003
    i seem to recall that Boker got some Camillus handles in auction or such, and used those. actual real handles.

    then they started making copies...

    i'll have to chase some links to recall certain details... perhaps Ethan can chime in. he's good at that :}

    Camillus (acme) was under some impression also if i recall, that they had some design rights to certain things Becker or something, but i think that got taken care of as well

    there was also those infamous chinese copies of the BK6, that was cool ;)

    me? i'd love to get some of the clones, for display.

    you haven't arrived until someone blatantly copies your shit :D
     
  10. RX-79G

    RX-79G

    Jun 23, 2006
    Except you can't trademark a shape. Trademarks are for brand text and logo, not the shape of a car hood or a knife blade.
     
  11. TravisH

    TravisH Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 22, 2014
    But you can copyright or patent the design of a shape.

    Can Chevy make a truck in the shape of an F150?

    If Emerson copyrighted/patented the design of the 'wave' blade, the shape of that blade would be protected as part of the design.

    If EB copyrighted/patented the design of those handles, their shape would be protected as part of the design.
     
  12. RX-79G

    RX-79G

    Jun 23, 2006
    Maybe. But the design has to have some unique, aesthetic value above its utility, Mr. Becker would have to have applied and received such a copyright, and it would have to be less than 14 years old. I doubt any of that happened.

    As with all the knife stuff, almost none of it is able to be protected. You can protect a new mechanism with a patent - Axis lock. And you can protect the trade mark "Axis lock". But a blade or handle shape are going to be immensely difficult to receive a patent or copyright on unless it has some sort of obviously artistic feature to it that is recognizably not utilitarian like the anodized, machined designs CRK does on the fancier Sabenzas. I think Ford would have a hard time making that argument about a boring hood, and Kabar an even harder time with a black fixed blade knife handle.

    Emerson could have patented the Wave hook itself - if the patent office accepted it. The overall blade shape - probably not. Copyrights aren't for utility, and the wave isn't aesthetic or artisitic in nature.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_design_right
     
    Last edited: Jan 16, 2015
  13. bigghoss

    bigghoss

    Jul 27, 2011
    Too bad it's a cheap rip-off. That blade in 1095cv with a ka-bar logo...shwing!
     
  14. beachmaster

    beachmaster

    493
    Oct 3, 2014
    It wasn't long ago on this forum that someone was looking to duplicate the Becker handles and mold them out of rubber, and I believe that they got shut down by kabar...
    I remember it being mentioned in the thread awhile back when we were trying to figure out how to get zytel handles in different colors lol

    I think that they can simply get away with it because they are not selling in the USA.

    I love Becker blades of course, but I think one of the most iconic pieces of any Becker is the scale shape.
     
  15. zzyzzogeton

    zzyzzogeton

    Feb 17, 2013
    That "Magnum Machete" wasn't the only one

    They also list a "Magnum Camp" knife ("sold out")
    https://www.boker.de/fahrtenmesser/magnum/outdoormesser/02GL719.html

    and a "Magnum Camp Lite" (also "sold out")
    https://www.boker.de/fahrtenmesser/magnum/outdoormesser/02GL719.html

    also saw one, the "Street Worker", that looks suspiciously like Muela's "Storm" and "Typhoon"
    https://www.boker.de/fahrtenmesser/magnum/outdoormesser/02MB522.html

    Many of their other "Magnum" line products look like copies of US and Spanish brand knives.
     
  16. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 20, 2005
    No Bokers for me. I pretty much stopped buying SOG knives after they copied the Spyderco hole.
     
  17. Bladite

    Bladite ǝɹnsıǝן ɟo uɐɯǝןʇuǝb Moderator

    Feb 28, 2003
    intellectual property rights are such a chore

    Boker has/had a chain of custody taint, which probably made it easier to have a gentleman's agreement with Boker about USA rights/etc

    we pretty much know they aren't going to sell a lot of that junk to the rest of the world, but the US market is pretty good.

    now intellectual property on a handle? it has history, and reasons, and stuff.

    a hole? well, Spyderco pulled it off. it's a Signature thing. some other companies claim similar rights.

    they are not often fought out in court though
     
  18. BeeKayNutCase

    BeeKayNutCase

    Jan 26, 2015
    Marginally off topic here, but did you know the correct pronunciation of Böker is 'berker'? Kinda sounds like someone with a thick german accent trying to say Becker. HAHAHAHAhaha ha ha..... ahem. Ok, I'll go back to my corner now. Has anyone seen my dunce hat?
     
  19. Gassy

    Gassy

    774
    Apr 18, 2012
    Interesting, always good to know the finer detail, thanks.
     
  20. bigghoss

    bigghoss

    Jul 27, 2011
    We've been taking turns wearing it. You should bring one for everybody before a fight breaks out. Somebody's gonna get hurt.
     

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