Getting hardware , holes , and pins sized correctly.

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So im having a problem. I am having trouble fitting together knives with hardware and pins.

Its always either a very loose fit , or it wont go in the hole i drilled because its too tight.

Now I am using a cheapo harbor freight drill setup and harbor freight cobalt drill bits.

Are there any tips on getting really nice fitting hardware? I recently tried some corby bolts and they are coming out crooked and incredibly tiresome to modify to get to fit.
 
A 1/4" pin will not fit inno a 1/4" hole, they call that a press fit


You need to be a literal hairs breadth drilled larger than the pin size
about .003"


Get one of these and start thinking in 0.001" of an inch
http://www.smithbearing.com/pdf/ENG-FractionalChart.pdf


Get one of these
http://www.harborfreight.com/6-inch-dial-caliper-66541.html

measure the actual size of the drills and the pins


http://www.harborfreight.com/6-inch-dial-caliper-66541.html



If your pin was an actual .250"
then try the drill size F .257"

That's all for the handle material holes, Stacy reccomends drilling the tang holes somewhat bigger and filling with epoxy
the idea has considerable merit.




Crooked is crooked, a HF drill press comes crooked, it's up to you to set it straight

Search on text and videos to "square or tram a drill press"

http://68.227.91.247/machines/dp001.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1TnifBZT-c



This is not new, searches will also come up with hundreds of good threads on this.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/564551-Squaring-a-Drill-Press-Table
 
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I make tang holes at least 25% larger than the bit ..... often 50% larger. on a 1/4" pin, a 3/8" hole allows 1/16" space around the pin. This makes installation of multiple pins much easier and allows a little "wiggle room" when gluing things up.

For the holes through the scales, I use a bit one # or letter size larger...or about .002-.003" . For a 1/4" pin use a letter F bit. For a 3/16" pin, use a #12 bit. Before drilling holes, measure your pins, as all are not the same, and most are not exact.
 
I oversize tang holes as mentioned. For handle materials, in a pinch (for instance can't find that perfect bit or it's ruined), chuck your pin stock in the drill press and very lightly sand, checking fit as you go.

--nathan
 
I oversize tang holes as mentioned. For handle materials, in a pinch (for instance can't find that perfect bit or it's ruined), chuck your pin stock in the drill press and very lightly sand, checking fit as you go.

--nathan
I second that. I do the very same thing when I put hardware on my knives.
 
For corbys, the counterbores I made for them end up fitting just a little snug- I like to take a 1/4" or 5/16" four flute end mill in a hand chuck and lightly ream the hole for the corby head. Gets an exact fit, and brings the shoulder down nice and square in the material. Doing it by hand ensures you won't blow through the scale by accident... and eliminates setup/clamping time and effort, especially for tapered full tang knives.
 
I set my depth stop on the drill press for each scale, making sure I leave my desired shoulder thickness. I actually drill my "pilot hole" for the center of the Corby first, and then use a special chucking fluted reamer has been turned down on the end to fit the pilot hole and use it to counter-bore into the scale to the depth of the shoulder. I believe Tracy use to sell these modified reamers for just this purpose.

Edit to add: He now has THESE counter-bores that are similar. This one is for the large corby bolts, but I have one for the smaller. I believe THIS one is for the smaller corby bolts, but the picture may be incorrect.

--nathan
 
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I also drill my corby pilot first. Then I go with a counterbore that is a drill bit the size of the Corby head, with the point ground down to the barrel diameter. i couldn't justify spending $25+ for a bit that does no better than I could make...
 
A $10 packet of drill bits will make a half dozen counterbore bits.

To make a home made Corby/Loveless counterbore drill:
Chuck a drill bit the size of the Corby bolt head in a cordless drill.
Put a new 120 belt on the belt grinder, or use a dressed bench grinder with a fine stone ( belt grinder works much better). You can do the last little bit of reduction with a hand held coarse diamond stone or dressing stone, but just a belt will do it all nicely. A polished finish is not needed.
Turn the drill on to low speed and spray the end with dye-chem or blacken it with a sharpie. ( this helps see how much you are grinding)
Switch to high speed on the drill and put the last 1/2" or so of the bit against the belt/wheel and start reducing the diameter.
Go slow and check your progress regularly. The part being reduced is longer than needed, that is OK. I usually grind down about 1/2-3/4" of the bit, but any length that can be controlled well is fine. You want to grind down extra.
When the reduced section is the diameter of the Corby shank, stop.
Grind the tip back flat to leave a 1/4-3/8" extension.
You now have a drill bit the size of the Corby bolt head with a pilot the size of your Corby bolt shank.

To drill the seats:
The scales should be perfectly flat where they meet down the center, and have parallel outer sides. Tape them tightly together.
Drill the scales while taped together with a drill bit the size of the Corby shank. Drill all rivet holes at one time with this bit. I stick a matching size drill bit through the first hole after drilling it to assure the other holes stay aligned.
Take the scales apart ( mark the "inside" to make sure you don't accidentally flip one) and set on the drill press table ( a flat piece of scrap wood as a backer is needed).
Put in your counterbore bit and re-drill each hole by placing the guide portion of the bit exactly in each pre-drilled shank hole. Make sure alignment with the pre-drilled hole is accurate. Also, make sure your drill press table is at 90° to the bit in all directions.
Drill each hole to the desired depth. Leave at least 1/16" of undrilled shoulder, 1/8" is even better if you have enough room.
Before taking the scales apart, sand to shape and buff the front of the scales as desired for the knife.


TIP:
After drilling out all the shank holes in the taped together scales, I take them apart and mark the insides to prevent accidentally drilling one from the wrong side...don't ask why I now always do this :( . Then I drill the seats on all holes of one scales. Next, I only drill out the front hole on the other scale. I put a Corby bolt in those mating holes and lock the scales together. That way I assure alignment with the rest of the holes as I drill the seats. Next, I drill the last hole, and stick a Corby bolt in as I finish it's seat. By putting a bolt in each hole as it is drilled errors are rare this way.
I made a 10"X10" block of hardwood with a 1/2" deep 1/4" wide groove milled both sides of the center of it for the Corby bolt heads to slide in . It has an un-milled 1" section in the center to back the hole currently being drilled out. This block was made smooth, flat, and has parallel sides by running it through a friends thickness sander, but any 4/4 or thicker wood from the lumber yard should work fine as-is.
I put this block on the drill press table as my backer when drilling the scales. Setting the scales on it with any already drilled Corby bolts in the slot makes drilling the other holes out easier.
It provides a great platform to drill out the seats with good accuracy. I just hold the scales down on it with one hand and drill the seats with the counterbore with my other hand on the drill press arm. I drill one side, put in that bolt, and move to the next hole....fast and accurate.


Now, I have to go sing the Easter cantata - Happy Easter guys.
 
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