Getting sick and tired of Zero Tolerance

ZTs rule. I know it's hard to score an LE but it's not impossible.

Just keep your eyes on the exchange. Best advice I can give.
 
What bothers me is that they just rebranded the higher end Kershaws (like the G10 Tyrade), painted the blades black, and added $150 to the price.
 
I understand how you feel about ZT's and higher end limited edition knives.... let's see?? Pay the electric bill or buy a limited edition ZT? Why of course the ZT wins every time. :D
 
That's a long but informative video, and it shows how much companies hear (but not necessarily listen to) the online knife community, and how hard it is to please everyone.

One interesting statement in there is that in Jan 2014 they were not even sure if the 0560/0561 was going to make it to 2015 due to lower sales and the expectation that the 0562/392/0566 (and certainly the 0620 they didn't mention) would take over.

Which is very interesting since it's now almost February 2015 and the 0562/0620 are not on the market in any significant numbers, the 0392 is still vaporware, and I don't think the 0566 has been received with anywhere near the excitement that the 0560 was. The 0770 has been popular, but it's no 0560. That would seem to suggest production of the 0562/0620/0392 has been held up significantly more than they anticipated.
 
scotchleaf said:
What bothers me is that they just rebranded the higher end Kershaws (like the G10 Tyrade), painted the blades black, and added $150 to the price.
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I'm confused by this. Maybe some other examples would help. The Tyrade example is not a good one as it was always a Kershaw from the 2007 Blade Show Overall Knife of the Year on through all the variants.
 
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all this silly talk of business models, and maximizing profits, by limiting distribution. Silly. You maximize profits by selling as many as possible, and supplying what your customers demand.
Never did spring for a ZT product though. Just don't get excited by anything they make.
 
Mannlicher said:
all this silly talk of business models, and maximizing profits, by limiting distribution. Silly. You maximize profits by selling as many as possible, and supplying what your customers demand.
Never did spring for a ZT product though. Just don't get excited by anything they make.
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If I make widget x and I can make 200 of them a day, when I decide to make widget y that I can only make 10 a day, I have to be able to sell widget y for 20x the net profit of widget x.

That's a pretty steep gap to cover.
 
I assume the business model goes something like this. Why make 10,000 pieces, sell for $1 each, but only sell out 9,800 of them and sit on the rest. When instead you could make 5,000 pieces, sell for $2 each, completely sell out. Half the cost, same amount of sales. Not everyone who wanted one got one, and so the allure about it spreads. And now next year you can do another limited run of 2,000 to keep people wanting them, maybe sell them for $3 this time.
 
Seeing that the North American International Auto is going on in Detroit right now, it reminds me that what Kai is doing is the same as what the auto makers do. Show cars and limited production models drum up interest in the rest of the makers product line, even for people that don't have the means to, or interest in, purchasing the limited production models. Remember the Plymouth Prowler and the Chevy SSR (and others)? Same kind of thing as the 0454, etc.

daveb068 said:
For knives like the 0777, it's not about the profit. It's more about pushing themselves to do new and interesting things and learning what can and cannot be done. A showcase of manufacturing and design if you will. Sometimes that engineering trickles down into production models where it would've never been seen if not tried in an LE first.
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They do have easily obtainable production runs available of extremely similar knives. The 0801 is the same feel and virtually the same performance as the 801cf. The upcoming 452CF does this for the 454. The 0770CF does this for the 0777. Now I know they arent replacements for the limited run knives, but to me its like a car company. There were only 500 Lexus LFAs made. I am certain there were a great deal more people than that who could afford one and want one. However, the company still makes plenty of F Sport optioned cars that take bits and pieces of the technology in the LFA and put them to real world use.

Plus, I bet some of the allure to these knives would be lessened if they were easy to get. That said, you can get most of them easily enough it just depends on how badly you want one.
 
scottabrandeberry said:
Seeing that the North American International Auto is going on in Detroit right now, it reminds me that what Kai is doing is the same as what the auto makers do. Show cars and limited production models drum up interest in the rest of the makers product line, even for people that don't have the means to, or interest in, purchasing the limited production models. Remember the Plymouth Prowler and the Chevy SSR (and others)? Same kind of thing as the 0454, etc.
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Scott apparently we think alike.
 
Sign me up for this club as well! Though I am anxious to get my hands on all of the new ZTs, my wallet is glad that it will be at least a few months until they become available.

PURPLEDC said:
All i know is


Kai shot show debuts

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My wallet

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The money

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Happy poor me
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Mannlicher said:
all this silly talk of business models, and maximizing profits, by limiting distribution. Silly. You maximize profits by selling as many as possible, and supplying what your customers demand.
Never did spring for a ZT product though. Just don't get excited by anything they make.
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It sounds silly to you because it appears that you don't understand business models. You don't always maximize profits by selling as many as possible. For Walmart, yes; for Nordstrom, no. For drug dealers, yes; for oil producers, no.
 
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