Glad I don't live in the UK!

I'm British but living in the USA, and it just saddens me a lot to see all the recent stuff in the UK: Compulsary ID cards, National Identity Databases. Now scanners in Train stations. They already have thousands of cameras that read your license plate automatically, and thousands more that do facial recognition.

And the result of all this? Violent crime was up 4% last year. Great stuff.
 
Funny thing is that at leats in the US, the crimes commited with knives are like 8% or something like that. Out of that 8% pocket knives or "tactical" folding knives are very rare. Most crimes involving knives have someone using a kitchen style knife.

The governments around the globe are always searching for the wrong weapon and making dumb laws which do nothing at all. They take the knives out of people's pockets that use them for a tool but don't do anything about the criminals using a 7" kitchen knife to kill someone.

The entire thing just enrages me.

By taking knives out of the picture does nothing. Do they think that people will use not find other things? I could go downstairs and get Stanley utility knife or a long flathead screwdriver if I were really determined to kill someone that way.

Come on. I cannot believe the stupidity these days.

I guess you can't fix stupid.
 
davros said:
I'm British but living in the USA, and it just saddens me a lot to see all the recent stuff in the UK: Compulsary ID cards, National Identity Databases. Now scanners in Train stations. They already have thousands of cameras that read your license plate automatically, and thousands more that do facial recognition.

And the result of all this? Violent crime was up 4% last year. Great stuff.
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Between stuff like this and the Patriot Act(s), I want my own island dammit.
 
""They're called offensive weapons for a reason - you cannot defend yourself with a knife, you can only ever attack someone - but lots of young people carry them for a fashion statement because they feel uneasy. "

That statement has to be the mosr absurd thing I have heard all year...And their is no mention of how some people use them as a tool. They only reference knives to the intent to do bodily harm which is what they are used least for. The UK is headed down hill and fast.
 
"We welcome any attempt to lessen crime on our transport system but the fact remains that 53 people were killed in the London bombings last year and we currently have no equipment of any sort anywhere in England that can detect explosives." I think this guy has a point...

It's a shame what's happening over there, I love the UK (planned to move to London for a while), but I hate to be criminalized just because I'm a tool using man.
 
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London community worker Shaun Bailey ... told BBC Radio Five Live.
"They're called offensive weapons for a reason - you cannot defend yourself with a knife, you can only ever attack someone
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Who told you that, London community worker Shaun Bailey? :rolleyes:
 
My favorite part is how they consider 68 confiscated pocketknives, out of 10,000 inspections, to be "extremely successful"... :jerkit:
 
How can something be offensive and not defensive. Oh, well I wouldn't doubt it if california and new york aren't looking into this and thinking hmmmm.... good idea, how else can we subvert the constitution.
 
"They're called offensive weapons for a reason - you cannot defend yourself with a knife, you can only ever attack someone - but lots of young people carry them for a fashion statement because they feel uneasy. "

:barf: That one fits right in with the "Never carry a gun because you're 214 times more likely to have it taken away and used on you." Hmm, that's a good one. Someone should tell all the uniformed LEOs that they're really endangering themselves by carrying those evil things, both the pointy variety and the ones that go bang ;)

Re CA: Yes, we have some totalitarian-minded people in our state, but right now they're mostly going after guns :mad: Our knife laws, though not really good like, say, Arizona's, are at least pretty clear and not extremely bad (except in the larger cities).
 
Lurp said:
""They're called offensive weapons for a reason - you cannot defend yourself with a knife, you can only ever attack someone - but lots of young people carry them for a fashion statement because they feel uneasy. "

That statement has to be the mosr absurd thing I have heard all year...And their is no mention of how some people use them as a tool. They only reference knives to the intent to do bodily harm which is what they are used least for. The UK is headed down hill and fast.
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##### oh yes you can defend yourself with a knife......period.....it takes training and bnot just anyonee can do it...you will notice several stat laws start off with the tatement ....Any knife manufactured for thepurpose of offense or defense ...so oviously the law makers also think you can use for defense
 
Spitz said:
Hi, I've actually been hanging around here for a while, but this is my first post.

While reading the news on the BBCs website, I found the following article titled
"Knife scanners to be used UK-wide".

http://newssearch.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4869290.stm

I am outraged.

Enough said.
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Spitz - Welcome to the Forum!

I raised this knife-ban issue and other questions about individual freedom in the UK as a paying member of the British Blades Forum. This was done in a civilized manner. After posting some pictures of girls in swim suits on our local beach into a thread about beaches that was in the miscellaneous section of the British Blades Forum I was informed by the moderator that pornography was not allowed. When I replied that the girls were good looking and the swim suits showed some nice curves but not parts and that I didn't think they even come close to being conidered pornographic, I was basically told my opinions were detrimental to the "health, safety, and welfare" of the forum members and the British Isles (not in those exact words) and I was politely "Banned" from the site. PM me and I'll send you the pictures and you can be the judge. Those British Blade folks really can't debate the issues very well on that forum. Of course they recently appointed a moderator named "Tiffany" so maybe that has something to do with it. Maybe she doesn't look very attractive in a bathing suit and was jealous. Very strange in any event.

They also have major knife issues in Scotland, and in Autralia, and to a certain extent in Canada (but they resently voted out a bunch of do-gooders who want to tell responsible and law-abiding folks how to manage their daily lives).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4690645.stm

Look at this nose job!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4031405.stm

A report from the Aussie side of the world.

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/tandi/tandi159.html

My dream is that these UK and related folks realize that they can manage their personal lives themselves and don't need all this heavy handed government protection. They need to vote (fyi - "votes" scare the heck out of politicians because their livelihood rests upon them) for people that respect their right to legally make decisions about how they wish to live their lives. I think that they need to address the impact of all these various rules and regulations on the problem they are trying to solve by implementing them. They don't seem to be solving the core problem of crime prevention.
 
Reading that Australian article by some dumb women really makes me mad. She says “armed robbery with knives increased since 1997” maybe that’s because that’s the same year almost all guns were banned in Australia.

One of the problems in Australia is we’ve been turned into a bunch of sheeple the only political party that supports our rights is the shooters party and the only people that seem to vote for them is farmers and immigrants who haven’t been wussified by out new age culture.

It’s against the law to carry any kind of knife in Australia except a dirk locked in a sheath if you’re wearing a kilt. I even heard of a tradesman being arrested for carrying a leather man:barf: . Unless there’s a revolution or something I can only see things getting much worse:(
 
This is truly sad. The nation that once ruled the seas is reduced to trembling by a SAK. Three terrorists with machetes could conquer Britain if this keeps up.
 
Joe Dirt said:
Come on. I cannot believe the stupidity these days.

I guess you can't fix stupid.
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These days, the sheeple, blissninnies and fascists will try to brand you as "dangerous" if you even try to point out when they're being stupid!


-Jeffrey
 
Lurp said:
""They're called offensive weapons for a reason - you cannot defend yourself with a knife, you can only ever attack someone - but lots of young people carry them for a fashion statement because they feel uneasy. "

That statement has to be the mosr absurd thing I have heard all year...And their is no mention of how some people use them as a tool. They only reference knives to the intent to do bodily harm which is what they are used least for. The UK is headed down hill and fast.
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Those are the same "young people" who have never been taught nor disciplined by the so-called "adults" in that country who have abrogated their responsibility to instill morals and ethics in their new generation.

That generation runs wild, and these idiots try to ban the tools they're abusing.

Stupid does not even begin to cover it. It's more like "an atrocity".

-Jeffrey
 
DGG:
Too bad you didn't raise the fact that British newspapers feature a topless model on page 2 every day, right? Don't they? Or at least one well-known one does. Detrimental, ey? When the administration of a knife-oriented website bans you for b.s. like that, it makes me want to say I'm GLAD they're suffering under idiotic, onerous laws.

Flux:
Say it ain't so! You are not allowed to carry ANY KIND OF KNIFE on your person in Australia?! That is just... beyond insane!! It's unfathomable to me!

Gadgetman:
I'm thinking that three terrorists with machetes should go and conquer England! :mad:

-Jeffrey
 
The problem here is something called politics of felt need. In a nutshell, it's when politicians think that there is a problem that needs to be fixed. In most cases, however, that problem either does not exist or is the product of another problem and in trying to "fix" it all that is happening is a band-aid is being slapped on a gaping wound.

This is all in an attempt by the government to be able to say to the public that they're "tough on crime" or "removing illigal drugs from our streets" or some other claim along the same lines.

Why do they go after these issues instead of the real problems that cause them? It's a hell of a lot easier to restrict or remove people's access to knives, guns and any other potential weapons then to change the attituds of a large number of people. The current govrenment will not be able to force people to see violence as a bad thing, to live with each other without robbing, killing, etc. It will take a absolutist, totalitarian government to do that and I think that's a direction that none of us want to go in.

If you want to learn more about this kind of stuff pick up J.S. Mill's book On Liberty[. It's a political philosophy book, but it's pretty easy to understand and it has some great ideas about when government can and can't get involved in a person's life.
 
DGG: Sorry to hear that you got banned. I have to say though, that there's a forum or two that, although work related, I DON'T go on now because a member has a pronographic avatar & I do not want to get into that sort of sh1t with our HR dept!

I'm a member on BB as well, & while I agree that the moderation there can be heavy handed at times, what they're trying to do is make sure that the site stays on topic. And as a result, although they make mistakes, on the whole most of us find BB is one of the few nice places to be on the web.
Over here, you follow a different system of compartmentalising things so that if someone wants to talk heavy politics, they head for that forum. If they want to p*** about & start a fight, there's whine & cheese.
To me, that makes this place the other nice place to be on the web.

Different practices, same result.
IMHO, anyway. :)
 
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