Glock 22?

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Glock 22? The good, the bad, and the ugly? Im considering buying one in the near future. (Well, through my dad, it would be "mine" until I turned 21, then really be mine.) I decided on this because it seems to have one of the best reps out there from users.

again, comments?
 
At the risk of being BBQed by the Glock lovers, I'll give you some advice. The .40 Glocks have a pretty bad rep for blowing up if you shoot them a lot. You can search on tacticalforums.com and find plenty of actual examples from agencies that issue them. If you insist on a .40, swap the recoil spring often as this is the culprit. The 9mm versions will not blow up, but there have been other issues with them.

A lot depends on how much you shoot. If you will be a casual user that shoots a few hundred rounds a year, you may never experience a problem.

Another pistol to look at might be the Springfield XD. I don't own one, but people I trust and respect do with no major problems.
 
The KABOOMS are generally associated with reloads. Don't shoot reloads. Period.

I have a G22 and a G27 and have been delightfully happy with the many, many rounds I've put through each. Field stripping is simple. Maintenance is nigh unnecessary. Reliability has been absolute. Eight years with both and I've yet to be disappointed.

Combat Tupperware Rocks!

btw, my G22 is a first gen, and I wouldn't trade it for a third gen...
 
You might also want to take a look at the slightly smaller Glock model 23...It's also a .40, but feels better (to me) than the model 22.

If you have BIG hands the model 20 in 10mm or the model 21 in .45ACP might be worth a look.
 
Hey, guys, do a little checking. The KBs I'm referring to happened with factory ammo. The FBI for instance, does not use reloads for training. The most recent stuff posted on TF was an LE department in Tennessee. The well understood problem is that any Glock (but more likely the .40, or I would guess in time the .357) can fire slightly out of battery. It happens during rapid fire when your recoil spring has lost some tension. I'm glad you guys haven't had any problems, but don't blow this issue off. Recoil springs are cheap, change them every 1k rounds.

Now Glock will tell you it's a reload issue, the same as they won't admit there is a problem with the 9mm pistols. They are fixing this with a "product improvement" (which required them to send armorers to the NYPD to fix most/all Glocks issued) rather than man up to a recall.

Glocks can be fine pistols (I've had several), but they are not superguns, and management there has a problem admitting anything might be wrong.
 
The issue with Model 22's and 23's blowing up can happen with both factory and reloaded ammo. The crux of the matter is 'lead ammo,' that is, bullets with no gilding jackets.

This was discussed in gun rags when it first started to happen. I was concerned because I had been feeding my 23 with nothing but linotype ammunition. (Linotype is an alloy smelted from lead, arsenic, tin and antimony.) When I cast my bullets, I drop them into a pail of ice, or ice water, and that makes them even harder.

My barrel and chamber didn't seem to have a lead build up because of the hard alloy. Even if a build up was noticed, there is a device called a "Lewis Lead Remover" which handles the job very simply.

The ammo that was causing the problems was 'swaged lead' bullets. That is, soft lead wire (the caliber needed for bullets) is run through a stamping machine and the shape of the bullet is hammered as the press closes. This method works best with soft lead, the softer the better.

When the chambers of Glocks got a bad build up, the bullet was held back as it fired. This 'hold back' upped the chamber pressure.

The answer is to shoot hard bullet reloads, or just use jacketed bullets for your reloading process. And keep glocks very clean.
 
Ichabod, while I've heard of the lead issue, what I'm talking about is with jacketed factory ammo. The issue of of firing out of battery has nothing to do with ammo type.

Try this with an unloaded Glock. If you pull the slide slightly back from battery, you can still drop the striker. This is the problem.

Edited to add-This problem isn't necessarily a reason not to own or shoot a .40 Glock, just something you need to be aware of. Other pistols have failings too, like the spring plug on Colt Officers Models, locking block lugs on older US made Berettas, etc.
 
The Glock kaboom crap was started, and is still propagated, by the same type of people who were trying to tell us that ("plastic") Glock pistols could pass through airport metal detectors, (so then the Glock pistols were thought of as terrorists' weapons).:rolleyes:.
 
Not that you're partisan or anything Glockman :rolleyes:. For some reason I couldn't post a link but here's one story from ROSANGHAL, who I think posts on this forum as well under the same name.

go to tacticalforums.com, search for "kb glock 32" under the "ground zero" forum. I don't think this guy says Glocks can pass through metal detectors and neither do I.

I don't know why people get so wrapped up in the infalibilty of their preferred weapon that they won't look at the truth and instead wander around HUA. Any weapon has drawbacks or quirks, smart people acknowledge them and deal with them as necessary.
 
The truth is a difficult thing. I'd argue that it really doesn't exist but this isn't the place.

Glocks do indeed experience kabooms. So does everthing else. Glocks seems to handle them well enough to protect the shooter, if not themselves. Whether these problems stem from squib rounds or overpressure loads or unsupported chambers or out of battery conditions is anyone's guess. If you have a favorite explanation you'll find someone else out there on the internet to back you up.

To keep the thread from turning into a Glocktalk debate, the Glock 22 is a fine handgun once you get used to the trigger. It will hold up well through as much or more shooting than anything else you will find and it is plenty accurate for self defense. Glocks are the most ammo tolerant handguns I've ever used and I've not found anything they won't reliably feed. Polymer frame and tenifer finished metal gives you great corrosion resistance, which is important if you decide to carry it IWB.

As for the bad: The Trigger. It takes some getting used to. The process will be smoother if you do a little reading first, maybe a search for 'trigger control' at Glocktalk would help. The factory plastic sights also a little flimsy. Either purchase the gun with night sights installed or pick up a decent set on the aftermarket.

Other than that the Glock 22 is pretty much ready to go out of the box. If you could provide more info as to your intended purpose for the pistol I'm sure someone could add more details on its suitability.
 
Glock .40s have popped, but so has most every other type of weapon out there. My main issue is that there isnt really a baseline to determine if the malf rate is statistically significant, though if it happens to you I am sure you have a different perspective. There may be an actual problem, or they may not, no one has produced reliable figures that I have seen. Theoretically, enough of the case is unsupported that a KBaphile will tell you she's gonna blow. If the Glock .40 is not the most issued cop pistol out there I'd be suprised, so I would expect more malfunctions just based on sheer numbers.

I would'nt hesitate to carry one. If you like it go for it. The internet is valuable for garnering opinions and not necessarily facts. IMHO, YMMV, etc.

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Glocks are great guns, but I prefer the 1911 for a number of reasons. With Glocks, especially .40s, just watch out for a few things:

-No reloads
-No unjacketed, i.e. lead rounds
-Do NOT rechamber the same round multiple times due to bullet setback
-Watch that the firing pin channel is clean

If you do all of these things, you should be able to shoot safely.
 
Originally posted by Daniel Flory
Glocks are great guns, but I prefer the 1911 for a number of reasons. With Glocks, especially .40s, just watch out for a few things:
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-Do NOT rechamber the same round multiple times due to bullet setback
-Watch that the firing pin channel is clean

If you do all of these things, you should be able to shoot safely.
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So, you DON'T have to watch out for those 2 things with a 1911 type pistol???.

:confused:
 
glockman99- Of course I watch for those things. Even though you didn't ask before getting defensive, I prefer the 1911 simply because I shoot it better and it is easier for me to carry. I like 1911 slimness, trigger, length, etc. The Glock is #2 in my heart though.
 
The last time I checked Glocks had unsupported chambers. At least more unsupported than other makers.

I think the Glock 17 is a classic pistol, and that Glocks in general are 9mm handguns chambered for either 9mm or something larger, if you know what I mean.

I know they have a huge following, and they make a great gun overall, but that chamber issue is unsettling in .40 and .45 chamberings.

I would recommend saving a little bit more and getting a Hk USP or a Sig.
 
I own a Glock 22, 23 and 27. For concealment, the 27 works best for me. I keep the Glock 22 as one of my home defense guns because it has the longest sight radius and holds 15 rounds. Glocks are great guns because I found them to be accurate, easy to shoot, durable and reliable. All of my Glocks have night sights, 3.5 lb disconnectors and and extended slide releases. I have found that you do not have clean Glocks as often as other autos. If I was going into combat, I would carry a Glock as my sidearm.
 
Originally posted by OwenM
Get a 3.5lb disconnector, and an extra power striker spring. voila...~5lb pull with no creep, or mushiness. Anyone used to the standard trigger will immediately notice the difference.
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Please explain this to me, because while I've had a G27 for years, I don't know much about what could be done to improve the trigger. I don't even know enough about triggers to feel anything wrong with the one I have, or to feel where there could be improvement. What does your modification do?

There is a really good guy named George who has a Glock-specific armorer's booth at the local gun show. I like to buy something from him at every show, 'cause he's a really really nice guy -- gives good deals and is very helpful. One day he showed me how to completely disassemble a Glock (down to *everything*). It's so easy, too! So I might want to go to him at the show in September and pick up this stuff you're talking about, if it starts to make sense to me.

Back on topic, I think the G22 is the gun to buy. My friend has a G23, and the interaction of the heel of my palm and the butt of the backstrap is not good. The gun's butt just ends in the wrong place for my comfort. The taller G22 feels better. The only problem is, you get a bigger gun but STILL the same lousy ten round limitation, even though the gun can hold 15 rounds of .40. (But I forgot whether that's 15+1 or 14+1.)

---Jeffrey
 
Yup! Glock Rocks! And when it fails... it fails... but so will a 1911, an HK or a revolver - I had a Rossi 38/357.. when I shot .38's, the shell would back out just enough to lock up the cylinder... I'm hosed if this happens in a real life situation. I'm hosed if my Glock blows up.
However, I only fire enough to stay comfortable with it... and my 27 is with me always; my 23 is at home stoked and ready... And my S&W 686 4" is right by the bed... and I don't have to clean my Glocks every time I shoot 'em... I just use quality ammo and throw 'em in the dishwasher every 2 or 3 hundred rounds! :D (okay, I admit it - I've never put it in the dishwasher... I like cleaning my guns - the smell of Hoppes in the morning...)
I also own a 1911 that I prefer to actually shoot... but I decided to get a G 30 anyway - it holds more, is just as accurate, is smaller, though not thinner... and still throws flyin' ashtrays with the best of 'em!
As long as we are all aware that things mechanical can and will fail, the best piece you can own is the one you can shoot the best with.

And always carry something to fall back on... even if it's only a knife... ya never know... :cool:
 
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