Going Stag - Class is in session.

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OK,
Stag as we use it here is a catch all name for various species of deer whose antlers are used for knife handles. Now for Deer 101 class.

First off, no white-tails or mule deer here. They are considered inferior to these other species. Mulies are slightly better than white-tails. Both have large amount of 'pith' which is considered bad. Antler is farily stable and for some reason, maybe for the grip, we prefer the rough, dark color, lower sections near the antlers base. This is the area that also gets the most interaction with other antlers and numerous species of plants and plant sap. The lower sections comand the highest prices for handle material. The smoother upper antlers and tips are also used but are considered less desireable.

So off we go around the world.............................................First to the land of true Stag.

Red Deer, one of the two best


The Red Deer (Cervus elaphus) is one of the largest deer species. The Red Deer inhabits most of Europe, the Caucasus Mountains region, Asia Minor and parts of western and central Asia. It also inhabits the Atlas Mountains region between Morocco and Tunisia in northwestern Africa, being the only species of deer to inhabit Africa. Red Deer have been introduced to other areas including Australia, New Zealand and Argentina. In many parts of the world the meat (venison) from Red Deer is used as a food source. In New Zealand the sheep farmers dislike them and they are frequently shot out of helicopters. This is also the top dog antler because the old craftsman of Europe and England used it in what we consider the forerunners of the best knifes known in the western world. It's these guys we can blame for our antler addiction.

Sambar
(also sambur, sambhur, Tamil: Kadaththi maan, Assamese: Xor Pohu), is the common name for several large dark brown and maned Asian deer, particularly for the Indian species (Cervus unicolor), which attains a height of 102 to 160 cm (40 to 63 in) at the shoulder and may weigh as much as 546 kg (1200 pounds), though more typically 162-260 kg (357-574 pounds). The coat is dark brown with chestnut marks on the rump and underparts. The large, rugged antlers are typically rusine, the brow tines being simple and the beams forked at the tip. In some specimens the antlers exceed 101 cm (40 in).



Ecology
Sambars are primarily browsers that live in woodlands and feed mainly on coarse vegetation, grass, and herbs. They are diurnal animals who live in herds of 5-6 members, grazing on grass, sprigs, fruit and bamboo buds.


Sambar in forestThese deer are seldom far from water and, although primarily of the tropics, are hardy and may range from sea level up to high elevations such as the mixed coniferous/deciduous forest zone in the Himalayan Mountains sharing its range with the Himalayan musk deer. These deer are found in habitats ranging from tropical seasonal forests (tropical dry forests and seasonal moist evergreen forests), subtropical mixed forests (conifers, broadleaf deciduous, and broadleaf evergreen tree species) to tropical rainforests. Their range covers a vast majority of territory that is classified as tropical rainforest, but their densities are probably very low there. In these areas, the deer probably prefer clearings and areas adjacent to water. They live as far north, according to Wild China, as the southern slopes of the Qinling Mountains in Central China. In Taiwan, sambar along with sika deer have been raised on farms for their antlers, which they drop annually in April to May. Sambars are a favorite prey item for tigers. They also can be taken by crocodiles, mostly the sympatric Mugger Crocodiles. More rarely, leopards and dholes will take young or sickly deer.

Fallow Deer, notice palmated antler


The Fallow Deer was a native of most of Europe during the last Interglacial. In the Holocene, the distribution was restricted to the Middle East and possibly also parts of the Mediterranean region, while further southeast in western Asia was the home of a close relative, the Persian Fallow Deer (Dama mesopotamica), that is bigger and has larger antlers. Some game ranched in Texas.
A favorite target of Ted Nugent on his outdoor show.

Axis Deer, Famous for its spots and long antlers.

Axis Deer*
Order Artiodactyla : Family Cervidae : Cervus axix (Erxleben)
Description. A moderately large, spotted deer with three tines on each antler; the brow tine forms nearly a right angle with the beam and the front (or outer) tine of the terminal fork is much longer than the hind (or inner) tine; a gland-bearing cleft is present on the front of the pastern of the hind foot; upperparts yellowish brown to rufous brown, profusely dappled with white spots; abdomen, rump, throat, insides of legs and ears, and underside of tail white; dark stripe from nape to near tip of tail. Dental formula as in Cervus elaphus, but upper canines (the so-called elk teeth) usually lacking. External measurements average: (males) total length, 1.7 m; tail, 200 mm; height at shoulder, 90 cm; females smaller and usually without antlers. Weight, 30-75 kg in males; 25-45 kg in females.
The chital or cheetal (Axis axis)[2], also known as chital deer, spotted deer or axis deer is a deer which commonly inhabits wooded regions of Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, and India. It is the most common deer species in Indian forests. Its coat is reddish fawn, marked with white spots, and its underparts are white. Its antlers, which it sheds annually, are usually three-pronged and curve in a lyre shape and may extend to 75 cm (2.5 ft). It has a protracted breeding season due in part to the tropical climate, and births can occur throughout the year. For this reason, males do not have their antler cycles in synchrony and there are some fertile females at all times of the year. Males sporting hard antlers are dominant over those in velvet or those without antlers, irrespective of their size and other factors. A chital stands about 90 cm (3 ft) tall at the shoulder and masses about 85 kg (187 lb). Lifespan is around 20-30 years(Ed note. This is not an typo from literature but I find it hard to believe)

The American contender....the Wapiti

The elk, or wapiti (Cervus canadensis), is one of the largest species of deer in the world and one of the largest mammals in North America and eastern Asia. In the deer family (Cervidae), only the moose, Alces alces (called an "elk" in Europe), is larger, and Cervus unicolor (the "Sambar" deer) can rival the elk in size. Elk are almost identical to Red Deer found in Europe, of which they were long believed to be a subspecies; however, mitochondrial DNA evidence from 2004 strongly suggests they are a distinct species.
Elk range in forest and forest-edge habitat, feeding on grasses, plants, leaves, and bark. Although native to North America and eastern Asia, they have adapted well to countries where they have been introduced, including New Zealand and Argentina. Their high level of adaptability poses a threat to endemic species and ecosystems where they have been introduced.

The Boy Scouts of Jackson Hole, WY as a age old tradition get to venture forth onto federal wildlife lands and pickup elk antler sheds in the areas where the yellowstone elk herd winters. Each May the antlers are auctioned off in batches and the proceeds go to the Scouts and other charities. Many are bought to go to the far east to be ground up into a powder to make a tea that is suppose to improve the manlyness of aging men.


Well, there you have it a biological overview of the creatures that may be found on a knife handle you already have or may someday buy. We call it just "Stag"

For your entertainment......300Bucks(I like Elk)
 
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Hey but what about this deer family big guy??

EDIT: NOT MY MOOSE...sorry for failing to note that. I forget everybody doesn't know what I look like.
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Well done Craig! I hope to hunt some of those Big Deer one day;)
jb4570
 
The moose ( Alces alces) is a moose in North America and often called 'elk' in Europe, It is the largest extant species in the deer family. Moose are distinguished by the palmate antlers of the males; other members of the deer family have antlers with a "twig-like" configuration in comparison. There massive antlers are grown and shed yearly.


The range of moose is generally limited to the more wooded and 'wilderness-like' larger tracts of land in the northern regions of the northern hemisphere. Because of this extreme habitat, they are harvested in lesser numbers than other deer species and there shed antlers are found less frequently.

This northern haunt and remote habitats also apply to the reindeer (Rangifer tarandus), also known as the caribou when wild in North America, it also is a Arctic and Subarctic-dwelling deer, widespread and numerous across the northern Holarctic. Reindeer are ranched in the far north areas of Europe,Russia and Iceland.

Although knife scales can be made from theses "high north" species they are generally identified by using there animal name rather than the generic deer term of 'stag'. There size and unique shapes make them desireable for other artistic uses. In North America, Moose antler is more often found in use as knife handles than is Reindeer or Caribou.








In all species the diet of the individual as related to what it's habitat can provide in quality of nutrition which is a factor in antler size and density. More antlers used for commerical knife handles are picked up as sheds than are harvested from a hunter taken animal. Many governments regulating hunting prohibit the selling of hunter taken antler. The use of deer antlers increases and knife makers are pressured by the new marketing of antler as Eco-friendly dog 'chews'.


But these Eco-shed collections also not without other difficulties as shed antlers are quickly utilized (gnawed an consumed) by large and small animals as a source of concentrated minerals. Weathering and sunlight can degrade antlers especially in the more humid climates.

African antelope species are also seen frequently in use as knife handles but are not often described using the term 'Stag' but rather by species name.

300Bucks
 
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wow 300 you are fast on the resurch and more detailed then i

i feel from what i read and what you posted that any antler can be called stag ..
i had found some of the same data and was posting this:

sambar (hind) antler is generally the most dense thus least likely to crack when
using rivets only to attach to a knife handle
and that reason only is why it came in to common usage..

NOT because it is rougher or has color differences ..

seems the reason it has better crack resistance
is it because of a smaller porous core resulting in thicker solid outer body
while smaller diameter American deer antler does not have the thick body
seems that if you find American antler that is larger diameter
that the scales of it with the thick outer body will serve jest as well!

after this i would feel at ease in saying that all antler {that is not
flat like moose or reindeer antler}
can be called stag
while we commonly seem to use the term stag to refer to
indian red or sambar deer antler


on the white tail and mule issue
yes i agree they are an infearrer antler for knife handles
but ... i think if they are bigger then the southern dear and have large rack
that they could be used as "stag" handles and would be hard to tell any diff..

the advent of new glues seems to make this difference much less important
as they tend to buck up the weaker parts of the scale
 
I'm sorry guys that's not my moose just a picture of a good one I found surfing.
Frankly I'm not sure I want to kill a moose. No sport in it and one hell of a lot of work since you have to take it in whole to be weighted, teeth checked, measured etc.

Now you think about that just a bit. No slicing and dicing to managable portions.
 
no i did not forget!
got that info right here in my man boobs
.. i is not disagreeing ,, jest shearing my thoughts..
 
Some interesting posts regarding the definition of "stag".

I have been working with "antler" for about 40 years making various things.

What I have noticed, and what was touched on in this thread, is the thickness of the outer layer vs. the porous marrow. New England white tail deer antlers typically have MUCH more marrow than Sambar stag which is why the Sambar stag is so popular for things like knife scales.

A few years ago and is still in effect last I knew, the Indian government banned the export of Sambar stag. Seems fires were been set to burn down foliage so the sheds could be found easier. That led to the price going up and more alternatives being used.

While elk antlers are HUGE and sometimes have an abundance of gnarly exterior surface or popcorn, it is VERY porous and has to be cut strategically to get good scale material from.

Then there is "bone" stag which is bone textured to LOOK like stag. Some people like it some don't.

Just my $.02. It's ALL good:D

Peter
 
white tail still tasty!;)


Yes it is Dave... Moose is quite tasty as well. I agree with flatlander though, not much sport in hunting them. I have friends that hunt them for their family, I do not have a problem with that at all... Sort of like hunting a heifer in a pasture though.
 
Yes it is Dave... Moose is quite tasty as well. I agree with flatlander though, not much sport in hunting them. I have friends that hunt them for their family, I do not have a problem with that at all... Sort of like hunting a heifer in a pasture though.

or like catfish in a small pond
that frying pan dont care
still mighty tasty!
goat can substaute as can lamb
but white tail sausage is still tastyest
{{never had moose.. :( }}
 
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