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Gold Ti Buckcote
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Dan,
there was no problenm with the Gold coated TI. I think we found that this TI worked better. I'll ask Pete to find out for sure.
Jeff
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Jeff "Without data it's just another opinion" Hubbard
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there was no problenm with the Gold coated TI. I think we found that this TI worked better. I'll ask Pete to find out for sure.
Jeff
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Jeff "Without data it's just another opinion" Hubbard
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The Gold Ti coating is regular titanium nitride(TiN) coating like you see on premium machine tools and such. It's a very good, hard surface coating that extends the life of cutting and machine tools considerably.
The champagne colored coating is titanium zirconium nitride (TiZN), a much harder and more durable material. Basically the same as the gold stuff, only better.
I met the president of the company that does the coating a few years ago. Nathan Meckel of MMI. He's a good guy and very enthusiastic about his product. Since I have a backgroung in electroplating metals, I was able to understand the processes and results. This stuff really works. I just wish Buck would promote it better.
Dennis
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wrightknife@ixpres.com
The champagne colored coating is titanium zirconium nitride (TiZN), a much harder and more durable material. Basically the same as the gold stuff, only better.
I met the president of the company that does the coating a few years ago. Nathan Meckel of MMI. He's a good guy and very enthusiastic about his product. Since I have a backgroung in electroplating metals, I was able to understand the processes and results. This stuff really works. I just wish Buck would promote it better.
Dennis
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wrightknife@ixpres.com
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Yeah, from what I've been told, this stuff is bonded to the metal at the molecular level and is much harder than the steel itself. That is why (I've been told) that the knives done this way are chisel ground; if ground conventionaly, the coating would not be an asset. I have one of the Crosslocks with the gold coating and it really does seem to prolong the edge life. Mine is as Dennis noted, the older version. I wonder what a BG42 steel with the latest coating would be like ?
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Look for us to Push the BuckCote harder soon, We have alot of real-world dat to show that it does help in skinning/hunting situations. Have to sharpen alot less frequently.
I don't know if there would be any advantage on a BG-42 blade.. I would think that the improvement would be min. although the steel will wear back less and maybe you would sharpen that much less... Have to try a couple.
Jeff
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Jeff "Without data it's just another opinion" Hubbard
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I don't know if there would be any advantage on a BG-42 blade.. I would think that the improvement would be min. although the steel will wear back less and maybe you would sharpen that much less... Have to try a couple.
Jeff
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Brian, I agree with Jeff. There might be some advantage to coating BG42, but I don't think it would be significant, since a TiAln or TiZn 420HC blade supposedly performs like a blade with a rockwell of 90. That is pretty awsome already.
I know from experiance that a 110 Z4 or Z5 will out cut anything else I've tried. I have had several professional guides and hunters tell me stories about the phenomenal performance of these things. They all say the same thing. They can't believe that a Buck knife will hold an edge like that. One old fellow showed me a champaigne 110 right after they came out. He said that he had been carrying it for six or seven months and had skinned and cleaned several animals including elk and pig with it. I told him that I was skeptical because the knife looked like new and had never been sharpened. I examined it pretty close too. I also told him that he couldn't have had it for six month as they had only been out for about a month at that time. He laughed and said that he thought I would say that. Turns out he was a professional guide and that Buck had sent him the knife for evaluation. Needless to say, I was impressed. This stuff really works.
Of course, I wouldn't mind running a BG42 Buck coat through it's paces ... say an Odyssey, with a vapor honed, TiAln coated blade.......??? TiAln is the gray coating. Its almost as hard as the champaigne coating and, on a vapor honed or bead blasted blade would come out almost black. Might be an interesting entry into the "Practical Knife" category.
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wrightknife@ixpres.com
I know from experiance that a 110 Z4 or Z5 will out cut anything else I've tried. I have had several professional guides and hunters tell me stories about the phenomenal performance of these things. They all say the same thing. They can't believe that a Buck knife will hold an edge like that. One old fellow showed me a champaigne 110 right after they came out. He said that he had been carrying it for six or seven months and had skinned and cleaned several animals including elk and pig with it. I told him that I was skeptical because the knife looked like new and had never been sharpened. I examined it pretty close too. I also told him that he couldn't have had it for six month as they had only been out for about a month at that time. He laughed and said that he thought I would say that. Turns out he was a professional guide and that Buck had sent him the knife for evaluation. Needless to say, I was impressed. This stuff really works.
Of course, I wouldn't mind running a BG42 Buck coat through it's paces ... say an Odyssey, with a vapor honed, TiAln coated blade.......??? TiAln is the gray coating. Its almost as hard as the champaigne coating and, on a vapor honed or bead blasted blade would come out almost black. Might be an interesting entry into the "Practical Knife" category.
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Dennis, or anyone else for that matter, do you have contact info for Mr. Meckel, or a web address or otherwise. I would like to investigate getting this coating applied to something other than knife blades, but still steel. You can post here, or email me at the address above. Thanks in advance.
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