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They have a few nice models that are one handed open and have the compound leverage feature. And the come in black too.
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Hmmmm.....The police are also not allowed to beat people 10-on-1 with maglites when they are lying on the ground. Or steal drugs from evidence.
Funnily enough this happens....
WHat Im saying is that using equipment not authorised is IMO
1. Not that outrageous when compared to other stuff LAPD gets up to.
2. Not too risky when done with consideration.
Sof sap doesnt even approach a blackjack in damage.
But ofcourse, what do I know. Its not like cops have carried unauthorized back-up guns or sap-gloves in US, hung people from windows in interrogations or used leaded flashlights...
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Hmmmm.....The police are also not allowed to beat people 10-on-1 with maglites when they are lying on the ground. Or steal drugs from evidence.
Funnily enough this happens....
WHat Im saying is that using equipment not authorised is IMO
1. Not that outrageous when compared to other stuff LAPD gets up to.
2. Not too risky when done with consideration.
Sof sap doesnt even approach a blackjack in damage.
But ofcourse, what do I know. Its not like cops have carried unauthorized back-up guns or sap-gloves in US, hung people from windows in interrogations or used leaded flashlights...
Hey, let's not turn this thread into a "what bad cops get away with" discussion, as original poster most certainly didn't ask for that! The original poster didn't ask about saps either! Gramps is spot on in what he stated, and I for one appreciate the fact that he gave that admonishment. Let's stick to items that are legal and within policy to carry, here in the USA.
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Hmmmm.....The police are also not allowed to beat people 10-on-1 with maglites when they are lying on the ground. Or steal drugs from evidence.
Funnily enough this happens....
WHat Im saying is that using equipment not authorised is IMO
1. Not that outrageous when compared to other stuff LAPD gets up to.
2. Not too risky when done with consideration.
Sof sap doesnt even approach a blackjack in damage.
But ofcourse, what do I know. Its not like cops have carried unauthorized back-up guns or sap-gloves in US, hung people from windows in interrogations or used leaded flashlights...
sounds like you have been watching too much tv or believe what the media says without question. you can never really know what it is like being a police officer in los angeles until you do it yourself.
sure rules get broken, as they do in every walk of life. i think your statements and advice that a brand new officer break policy is irresponsible.
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good points, thanks.
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No problem. I, too, feel his comments are very irresponsible.
Regards,
3G
Regards,
3G
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mmecq,
The top notch, otherwise known as the "wave", is for catching on the corner of a pants pocket while the knife is pulled out, and subsequently opening the blade. In other words, when you pull the knife out of your pocket, the "wave" opens the blade for you. It is faster than any switchblade, is very reliable, and doubles as a bottle-opener, too! I hope that helps.
Here is some "wave" information from the guy who created it, Ernest Emerson:
http://emersonknives.com/UsingWaveFeature.html
Regards,
3G
The top notch, otherwise known as the "wave", is for catching on the corner of a pants pocket while the knife is pulled out, and subsequently opening the blade. In other words, when you pull the knife out of your pocket, the "wave" opens the blade for you. It is faster than any switchblade, is very reliable, and doubles as a bottle-opener, too! I hope that helps.
Here is some "wave" information from the guy who created it, Ernest Emerson:
http://emersonknives.com/UsingWaveFeature.html
Regards,
3G
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Thanks 3G and MORIMOTOM.........and agreed that we are not helping mmecq
by straying off topic. I just needed to "call out" Cynic1's unwise advice. It's guys (and dare I say gals too) with attitudes like his that make it on to the force that give cops a bad name.
mmecq...yes, that's the waved Endura......the "wave" is the "hook" above the opening hole. When properly deployed the "wave" hooks/catches the corner of a pocket, lets say, and the "wave" opens the blade as the knife is being deployed. With some practice it can open the knife VERY quickly. I think the wave feature is a personal choice on a knife and I'm not certain for gift giving I would choose that model......but the Endura is a great knife......Lord, it's a Classic that has only gotten better with time, as I have recently found out.
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It's extremely unlikely that he'll ever need a knife for self defense.
But I recommended the 710 D2 beause he may need it for cutting seatbelts and child restraints QUICKLY in wrecked and/or burning vehicles.
My brother-in-law was a paramedic for several years, and he had numerous ocassions where he used his knife for rescue work in vehicles.
But I recommended the 710 D2 beause he may need it for cutting seatbelts and child restraints QUICKLY in wrecked and/or burning vehicles.
My brother-in-law was a paramedic for several years, and he had numerous ocassions where he used his knife for rescue work in vehicles.
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I couldn't agree more....something like the 710 or even the Spyderco Rescue
would be right handy. Ben's in the "loop".....LEO's are trained to keep distance between themselves and the suspect and they don't typically deploy a blade for self defense. Knife fighting is for the movie theater and sparring....athough too much back up can never be redundant while trying to stay safe.
Consider a good flashlight as a gift too......he would appreciate something like that because that is a tool that he will deploy regularly everyday !
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I agree.
None QUICKER than a "waved" knife.
For rescue applications only, there are far better choices than a BM 710. Knives like the Emerson SARK, the fairly new Gerber/Hinderer Rescue, the Spyderco Assist, the Meyerco Rescue 1, the BM Rescue Hook, and the upcoming BladeTech Responder seem to me better choices. Regards,
3G
you guys have been very helpful. the emerson wave design is certainly very interesting, I'm not sure if this design if something he'd like, but it is on my potential list now which is:
- BM 710 D2
- Spyderco Manix
- Spyderco Endura *maybe waved*
- a nice surefire compact flashlight
- SAK or multitool (problem is he already actually has a full-size multitool [leatherman I believe], so I might not go this route unless I find a cool compact one I think he would like)
btw i attended the graduation ceremony this morning which was great, they were also celebrating the 231 bday of the marine corps so there were many marines on-hand for the event too. here is a pic of right before chief bratton and others conducted the final 'weapon and uniform inspection'.
- BM 710 D2
- Spyderco Manix
- Spyderco Endura *maybe waved*
- a nice surefire compact flashlight
- SAK or multitool (problem is he already actually has a full-size multitool [leatherman I believe], so I might not go this route unless I find a cool compact one I think he would like)
btw i attended the graduation ceremony this morning which was great, they were also celebrating the 231 bday of the marine corps so there were many marines on-hand for the event too. here is a pic of right before chief bratton and others conducted the final 'weapon and uniform inspection'.
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Get him a copy of the Constitution and copy of George Orwells Animal farm.
Remind him he is still a Civilian and the instant he thinks of the people he serves as "them" and his fellow officers as "us" he should find a new line of work.
Remind that having the tools to defend himself (tasers, mace, guns, and bullet proof vests) is a right denied many of his fellow Citizens. He should work tirelessly to fix that. He owes it to the rest of us for accepting these tools.
Remind him he is still a Civilian and the instant he thinks of the people he serves as "them" and his fellow officers as "us" he should find a new line of work.
Remind that having the tools to defend himself (tasers, mace, guns, and bullet proof vests) is a right denied many of his fellow Citizens. He should work tirelessly to fix that. He owes it to the rest of us for accepting these tools.
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you guys have been very helpful. the emerson wave design is certainly very interesting, I'm not sure if this design if something he'd like, but it is on my potential list now which is:
- BM 710 D2
- Spyderco Manix
- Spyderco Endura *maybe waved*
- a nice surefire compact flashlight
- SAK or multitool (problem is he already actually has a full-size multitool [leatherman I believe], so I might not go this route unless I find a cool compact one I think he would like)
btw i attended the graduation ceremony this morning which was great, they were also celebrating the 231 bday of the marine corps so there were many marines on-hand for the event too. here is a pic of right before chief bratton and others conducted the final 'weapon and uniform inspection'.
congratulations to your friend, looks like it was a nice ceremony.
and ill see him on the streets.:thumbup:
"San Diego Union-Tribune October 7 2006
by staff writer Kristina Davis
On the list of approved weapons still used by some sheriffs deputies are hard-leather saps...the other weapon that a few in law enforcement still carry is the police nunchaku, which was developed by a Colorado cop in the 1980´s. San Diego was the first big city-police department to try them out, and a handful of its officers still carry them two decades later,along with sheriffs deputies and Carlsbad officers... veteran deputies who are used to saps have hung on to them..Police departments..banned them in favor of batons..Sheriffs Sgt.Dave Brown says he always had his trusty sap hidden away in his pant pocket when on patrol--.The way Carlsbad police chief Tom Zoll sees it, saps and nunchakus are just another option in the range of less-than-lethal weapons an officer can carry along with tasers,pepper spray and batons."
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Congratulations to your friend mmecq ...and thanks for posting the picture !:thumbup:
Incidentally....here's the FULL article that Cynic1 has quoted and edited in his post above. It's a good read when taken in it's ENTIRE context. I think the way in which he "cut and pasted" parts of the article together to make his point can only call into question his motivation. Aren't we all just a bit wary of those who conveniently quote parts of article but don't refer the reader to the ENTIRE body of work in question ?
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20061007-9999-7m7saps.html
I guess he didn't think anyone would call him out and check his source......it seems as if he believed he could get away with "pulling a fast one" on all of us ???
-my Best
Incidentally....here's the FULL article that Cynic1 has quoted and edited in his post above. It's a good read when taken in it's ENTIRE context. I think the way in which he "cut and pasted" parts of the article together to make his point can only call into question his motivation. Aren't we all just a bit wary of those who conveniently quote parts of article but don't refer the reader to the ENTIRE body of work in question ?
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20061007-9999-7m7saps.html
I guess he didn't think anyone would call him out and check his source......it seems as if he believed he could get away with "pulling a fast one" on all of us ???
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I've taken Blue 93mm Rescue knives from Spyderco and Waved them and then flattened the point to be like that of a flat head screwdriver for several officers in my area. They seem to like that one but a factory Waved Endura or Delica would be fine choices for duty knives.
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A good lawyer on retainer.
In the $50 dollar range it's hard to beat the Spyderco Delica or the Benchmade Mini-Griptillian as an EDC.
As for the wave feature, some like it and some don't. Personally, I don't care for it as I find the hole opener on the Mini-grip and Delica plenty fast enough.
As for the wave feature, some like it and some don't. Personally, I don't care for it as I find the hole opener on the Mini-grip and Delica plenty fast enough.