Good Hawks for Deployment

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My Guard unit is getting mob'd for deployment to Iraq in a little under 6 months and I was wondering if any of you had any suggestions for a good hawk to take with me. I have a buddy over there now and he tells me a few in his platoon brought hawks and love having them for everyday use and entertainment...throwing at those huge camel spiders.

Im looking for something that can withstand tough use and stay relatively sharp.

Any suggestions?
 
...Any suggestions?

Yes sir. Hear me out.

Don't be cheap, your life may depend on your hawk. Get a poll-hawk. A spike-hawk is cool, but you'll probably be doin' a heckuva lot more more workin' than killin' and IMO -- as a tool -- the hammer-end of a poll-hawk beats the pants off a spike-hawk hands down. My opinion for sure, but your mileage will not vary. Order a few extra handles for your hawk. You don't want to be in the field without some spares.

Order a "working hawk" poll hawk from Jack Harrill of MooseTrax Forge up in Maine. Tell 'em Q from PreparedToLive.org sent you (it won't cost you any more). I believe one of Jack's "Working Hawks" will cost you $100.00 + $12.00 for shipping + the extra handles.

You can reach Jack at the email address (disguised to defeat the spam collection bots)...

JackmHarrill AT hotmail DOT com​

(Substitute @ for "AT" and . for "DOT" and remove the spaces)

Jack's not the greatest with email. If you can't get a hold of him PM me and I'll get you his telephone number.

Jack's been in the military, so have his sons. I believe one or more are now over there you'll be going.

Here is something Jack wrote over at my PreparedToLive.org website...

...My interest in everyones thoughts on spike hawks was simply that at one time, I was issued a "Vietnam" tomahawk and spent some time training to use it. I didn't think much of it at the time but sheared the head from the handle during the first hard use. I didn't think anything about it after that as I went back to my Ontario machete, military version Western Bowie, Gerber, etc, etc. When my kids all decided that they needed to be part of the current unpleasantness I was asked by both Army soldiers and Marines to produce tools capable of keeping them alive. I was an Infantry officer and used to taking care of soldiers. The sheer responsibility for equipping my kids and their friends with tools that might have to keep them alive was overwhelming. I began to test the spike theory in earnest. I hung a lot of roasts on a rope and hit them with a wide variety of spikes and polled hawks. Every one of the spiked hawks was slow to recover, with the pyramidal spikes being the best of the bunch. From my experience, slow means dead. I finally settled on a square polled hawk that had a slightly elongated poll as the best of the bunch. It is the only thing I have made for the soldiers.

I guess you can make a hawk from anything. We use 5160, O-1 and 4140 for the most part. We use 1095 when it is available (which is not much recently as the sizes we need are all going overseas to you know where). These are very practical steels and are well suited to this purpose. With reasonable care any of these steels would stand up to generations of hard use...

Last here is a picture of one of Jacks hawks, beautiful beautiful work IMO...

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Good luck.

God bless.

Thank you for your service.

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ive read some articles about the SOG Fusion hawk. its first version had wooden handles that could break. in fact it was given to an individual who was in charge of a unit and he gave several samples to his men. only one broke from servere abuse. however, the guy who wrote the article said that SOG went back to the drawingboard and got out a new version with a very solid fiber glass reenforced handle thats pretty much indestrutable. it was in an article in the last 2 months or so in Knife magazine and recently is in one in the current issue of Blade magazine. seams they worked out all the kinks.

if you call to order , ask them to be sure its the new handled version you like. order straight from SOG, they care about the troops.. best of luck to you, and thank you for your service, be safe. - Eric
 
You're nuts if you think you'll be able to take a tomahawk with you, & even if they do let you, customs won't let you bring it back. Come on, you're not Natty Bumpo, so quit pretending otherwise.
 
You're nuts if you think you'll be able to take a tomahawk with you, & even if they do let you, customs won't let you bring it back. Come on, you're not Natty Bumpo, so quit pretending otherwise.

Plenty of troops are using tomahawks over there and I do not remember any of my friends or family ever having to go through customs on there return trip home
 
You're nuts if you think you'll be able to take a tomahawk with you, & even if they do let you, customs won't let you bring it back. Come on, you're not Natty Bumpo, so quit pretending otherwise.

We are talking military here, not civilian carry. Soldiers have been carrying hawks in Iraq and Afghanistan since the beginning of the war. My cousin, a 1st Lt. in the 4th ID, being one of them. He carries a VTAC. He's used it for everything imaginable. It has served him well. Some of his troops carry them as well. It has proven itself as a very valuable tool.

Posts such as yours prove that ignorance truly is bliss (or that you're a troll). :rolleyes:
 
Plenty of troops are using tomahawks over there and I do not remember any of my friends or family ever having to go through customs on there return trip home

+ 1.

we have shipped hawks to Iraq with no problems going or returning.

+ 1 also on the Jack Harill choice.

vec
 
You're nuts if you think you'll be able to take a tomahawk with you, & even if they do let you, customs won't let you bring it back. Come on, you're not Natty Bumpo, so quit pretending otherwise.


So that is why there are several tomahawks with NSN numbers, that are ordered directly by the units themselves. Come on, do some research and think before you post. And quite frankly who gives a crap if customs stops you on the way out!

Though I have no personal experience, Justin from Ranger Knives has some excellent offerings that look solid. He appears to have Military and LE as his end users.
 
zshum 1985... Thanks for serving ,Best of Luck and as far as I'am concerned you can take what ever the he-- you want with you...
 
Citizen Q is that the Hawk in your post that you have pictured "Working Hawk"? I am really interested in that one in the picture and that is the first I have seen of Jacks work. Does he have a website? Thanks for any more info.
 
This is the real deal, dude... forget the rest!!! They can be bought online for about $108 total including shipping!!!

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You may not really need a hawk in Iraq. It depends on your MOS and the mission assigned to your unit. If you feel the absolute need to carry a hawk, one with a synthetic or metal handle will work best. (the ATC VTAC and the K5 Tactical are good examples)
For those of you who don't believe the military doesn't have to clear customs before entering the US, my unit most definitely did. We had a very detailed health and welfare inspection in Kuwait where my EZE-LAP diamond sharpner was confiscated, tagged and placed in the baggage section of the aircraft. It was returned to me about 2 days after we returned stateside. Our conexes and vehicles were also subject to detailed searches. Several members of my unit were picked at random and their bags were dumped and searched on the tarmac of the airstrip in Topeka where we landed.
I mailed my knives back to the States. The only thing I couldn't send back was a "whack stick" made by DJ at American Kami. That was because it had a firearm part in its construction. A flash suppressor was screwed and epoxied to the end for added weight and a couple of flesh catching points. I think the military now frowns on stun guns, blackjacks and collapsible batons unless your MOS is MP or Corrections Officer, but that could have been just my chain of command. I left Iraq in Jan 2006. Anyone have newer information? Policies change there as units rotate in and out.
Good luck with your deployment.
 
I am retired Army with 25 years served. The majority of my time was served with the 82d, 10th SFG, and other organizations. On the subject of clearing customs when re-entering the U.S. - yes you definitely will. Who does it will depend on where you are, who is providing the transportion, and so on. The military has it's own customs people and I have had both Army and Air Force personnel check us out. This is purely from my own experience and may or may not suit you. After trying all of the different types of hawks, hatchets, and axes, I settled on a very ordinary hatchet as being the best in terms of portability, weight, usefulness, and durability. Something with a 12 to 16 oz. head and a OAL of 12-15 inches. It should have a flat poll for hammering and pounding. You can get these with just about any handle material, but I have yet to break a wooden handle on one of these. Also, take a good look at the blade profile. A thin profile will cut well, not split so well, and some feel is not as strong as a thicker profile. A thick profile will not cut as well, splits well and provides more support for the edge. I would avoid the very thin hatchets such as those made by Buck, S&W, Western, and others. They will just barely outchop a knife and offer a poll of only about 1/8 inch in width for hammering. But, they are great for dressing out game and spitting spines.
 
I personally found the VTAC to be a little on th short side (handle) for me. I much prefer the original wooden handled version which also has a slightly longer edge. I do wish the handle was at least a few inches longer too...

I've got the SOG Fusion as a beater (actually a possum beater) and its cheap but I personally wouldn't trust my life on it as I haven't testing it hard enough. Maybe we should we should donate one to Noss4 for destruction testing :)
 
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