Good telescopic steel baton?

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Delta Zero

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I have done some research on carrying/possessing a steel baton. It is legal in my area to do, therefore I choose to do so. In any case, I am mostly interested by the Peacekeeper International (Winchester) RCB Baton, Bonowi Camlock or something heavy gauge and over 20". Any recommendations/anything someone is interested in getting rid of?
 
My agency issues the Monadnock and the ASP in 26" size. I carry the Monadnock. I know from actual use, that they can incapacitate someone when the strike is just right. Just remember the civil part of it though. Just because it is legal to carry it, doesn't mean that you won't get sued if you have to use it. Just my $.02.
 
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Is the Monadnock you use an "HG" model? Also, which model is the ASP and how heavy are the ones that you use?
 
I don't know actual weights but ASP is a brand like Monadnock. ASP sells their batons in either aluminum or steel. Steel is heavier. Aluminum needs to be replaced after striking something with it.
 
I have the Winchester (Wilmoth) and it is the best baton I have ever owned. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like they sell the RCBs to civilians.
 
Yes, I know. I will be blunt: I am not LEO or military but a law-abiding civilian and I want one at least 26" or what I can get. I want the option to crack the mugging assailant in the face with it instead of having to slice his face open with my work knife (BK-5). I need some assistance getting one. Simply put, like it, or hate it.
 
Delta Zero said:
I want the option to crack the mugging assailant in the face with it instead of having to slice his face open with my work knife (BK-5).
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You have better luck starting with a knee...
Steel 21" ASP. Love it.
 
Delta Zero said:
Yes, I know. I will be blunt: I am not LEO or military but a law-abiding civilian and I want one at least 26" or what I can get. I want the option to crack the mugging assailant in the face with it instead of having to slice his face open with my work knife (BK-5). I need some assistance getting one. Simply put, like it, or hate it.
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Not really an appropriate use of force - if your hitting someone in the head/neck/spine area with a baton, you better have a damn good reason to be using deadly force.

Batons are for striking limbs, arms, legs and doing damage to the joints.
Its hard for someone to attack when their elbow or knee is busted.
They also work for disarming, break the wrist holding the knife, again they will find it hard to continue the attack.

Batons arent just for beating on people with.

For what its worth, i found 24" to be a good length - 21" was to short for me (im6'6") and the 26 was a bit big and heavy for my liking.
I had Monadnocks, a 24" friction lock and a 22" autolock
The 22" autolock was cool, easy to collapse, but it didnt feel as nice and solid as the friction lock baton, it was also bigger and heavier when closed.
 
From my limited experience with cheap junk and the ASP I would recommend the ASP very much. That is what a jail guard that I went to church with used as well and it was very good quality.
 
**I understand that you are NOT messaging from the U.S. and the laws are a bit different from where you are; and I would have left this alone, but I have to address this because you are bringing it in this direction.**

I stated that I am a law-abiding citizen, who would only raise their level of the force continuum when there is imminent threat of danger. Obviously, I am not going to pull out and hit (or otherwise attack) someone with lethal force without there first being lethal force threatening (and/or apparent to) me. Going forward, we can all assume intention to use in my application is legal countervailing reasonable force to defend my life or person -- same as any firearm in my country and state. Gentlemen, let us keep this to recommendations/experiences relevant to use. Thank you.

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Not really an appropriate use of force - if your hitting someone in the head/neck/spine area with a baton, you better have a damn good reason to be using deadly force.

Batons are for striking limbs, arms, legs and doing damage to the joints.
Its hard for someone to attack when their elbow or knee is busted.
They also work for disarming, break the wrist holding the knife, again they will find it hard to continue the attack.

Batons arent just for beating on people with.

For what its worth, i found 24" to be a good length - 21" was to short for me (im6'6") and the 26 was a bit big and heavy for my liking.
I had Monadnocks, a 24" friction lock and a 22" autolock
The 22" autolock was cool, easy to collapse, but it didnt feel as nice and solid as the friction lock baton, it was also bigger and heavier when closed.
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I hear you on the quality of the ASP brand, but I would like to know about it's stopping power per strike. I know that I am not going to get the same effect as if I carried a hickory stick with me all the time, but I want it to still be worth my while to carry.
 
I have a 21" ASP that I like. Haven't actually picked it up in a few years due to lack of legality in California (didn't find that put until I already owned it), but it is well built and feels good in the hand. Disclaimer, I've never hit anyone or anything with it.
 
I carry a baton every day and have done for a number of years now. I have a few ASPs and also have a Bonowi camlock. IMO you are better off going with a 21" ASP. I would also stick with the steel batons, the "air weight" aluminium ASPs don't last long if it's going to see any real training and use. :):thumbup:

As for how well they work you may be surprised at how good they are not. You really need to understand the limits of the weapon in any given situation. They do indeed hurt a lot but as I have found out that isn't always enough. They are as good as any stick would be really but there are buts.....
 
Haze said:
I carry a baton every day and have done for a number of years now. I have a few ASPs and also have a Bonowi camlock. IMO you are better off going with a 21" ASP. I would also stick with the steel batons, the "air weight" aluminium ASPs don't last long if it's going to see any real training and use. :):thumbup:

As for how well they work you may be surprised at how good they are not. You really need to understand the limits of the weapon in any given situation. They do indeed hurt a lot but as I have found out that isn't always enough. They are as good as any stick would be really but there are buts.....
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Really Haze? I am interested in this "how good they are not" notion, particularly coming from the self defense aspect of it. I understand that someone with the pain sensory being impaired can walk through a flashy speed combination off of a light stick. But what about the disabling aspects of the baton? A strong blow to the femur or a joint site (e.g. knee, wrist, elbow, shoulder) should be a fight stopping target because of structural damage. An enraged crack-head can be a strong as an ox, but if I take out his kneecaps or elbow by causing structural damage such as a broken bone, he cannot harm me and I can get away (or engage another attacker). I am also interested in your assessment of the Bonowi Camlock. As you can see, all I am getting is ASP suggestions. I am leaning towards their Talon Disc Loc in the steel offering. Always with the steel...
 
Delta Zero said:
Really Haze? I am interested in this "how good they are not" notion, particularly coming from the self defense aspect of it. I understand that someone with the pain sensory being impaired can walk through a flashy speed combination off of a light stick. But what about the disabling aspects of the baton? A strong blow to the femur or a joint site (e.g. knee, wrist, elbow, shoulder) should be a fight stopping target because of structural damage. An enraged crack-head can be a strong as an ox, but if I take out his kneecaps or elbow by causing structural damage such as a broken bone, he cannot harm me and I can get away (or engage another attacker). I am also interested in your assessment of the Bonowi Camlock. As you can see, all I am getting is ASP suggestions. I am leaning towards their Talon Disc Loc in the steel offering. Always with the steel...
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They are good and having used one a few times I can say that they will stop someone but it isn't a brick wall. I obvioulsy don't know what you expect out of a baton but I have met many that thought they had a magic wand of some sort. I'm not saying that is your idea but it's best to be pessimistic I think. :p
I'm not sure what I can really say about using the baton, as the way I would use it is not how one would usually be trained to use it. The police etc. that generally carry batons have all sorts of restictions and paperwrok to do so they are not able to actually break someone up, you probably don't have that problem....;)

I have used the Bonowi as part of my EDC for a couple of years now and having got to know it well I would still say to get and ASP 21". The camlock is heavy, in a good way, but that also causes some problems too, as you can see I had to make a Ti clip for it. They have a perhaps overly intricate locking system that means the baton has play between the 3 parts and I have never liked that. The standard ASP is solid once it is deployed. The good thing about the camlock is that you press a button on the butt to close it rather than bash it off something the close it. That makes for more sophisticated use but the nature of that system makes it "delicate". I have had trouble closing the baton after one particular occasion. The other issue is cleaning and maintenance. You can't take the Bonowi apart to clean or easily change parts, the ASP can be fully dismantled and changing any damaged parts is very easy indeed.....then there is the price. I have the German made Bonowi and that is many times what the same sized standard ASP would cost.

Having actually carried and used botons for a while now my suggestion would be the standard 21" steel ASP. IMO that is the best baton for longtime carry and use for someone that has to pay for it themselves. :):thumbup:

Here is a pic of my good old camlock. It has been a good "friend" and held up well but you will end up having problems with it eventually as I think most owners that use them do. I still carry it even today and will do untill it actually dies, but as I say with hindsight get the ASP.

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Thank you for the pointers, Haze. I think I am about as sold as one can be on an ASP 21", probably disc lock system (unless someone has a valid point that the friction lock superior). I am glad that someone on the forums could go into detail about this Bonowi Camlock. I must say there is a lot I would have never imagined about a steel baton as opposed to some like, say, a kamagong or rattan stick (aside from material difference)... Thank you to everyone who positively contributed to the questions I had!
 
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