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I think it might have to do with torsion forces of the hand on the handle inadvertently disengaging the lock. I could be wrong though.
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I think it might have to do with torsion forces of the hand on the handle inadvertently disengaging the lock. I could be wrong though.
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FireInvestigator - I hope you continue considering a Sebenza, I really think it would be worth your time to check one out.
Also when it opens, and the lock engages - you'll know it by that cool little "Clack", or what other's have referred to rightly as "like a Bank vault".
That noise pretty much indicates - lock is not dis-engaging unless you do it intentionally.
I really think the knife blade would break/fail a long time before the lock would, and Man - it would be a wild story to hear how either occurred.
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Also when it opens, and the lock engages - you'll know it by that cool little "Clack", or what other's have referred to rightly as "like a Bank vault".
That noise pretty much indicates - lock is not dis-engaging unless you do it intentionally.
I really think the knife blade would break/fail a long time before the lock would, and Man - it would be a wild story to hear how either occurred.
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Reminds me of gun models as well... I have witnessed alot of AD's (accidental discharges) with guns like glocks and such that I will never own one. These AD's were with experienced gunfighters too... SWAT,SpecWar,USSS,DSS and FBI so please belay any lessons to me.Been there and done that. Some safety designs while nifty, just dont hold up in stressful,combat or hurried situations, IMO. Why I carry and own 1911's
The Glock is a very safe, well engineered pistol... Negligent or accidental discharges are NOT the guns fault. This is a nice way of blaming the gun for ones own mistakes. It doesn't matter what spec op group they are with or how much training they have had. I have had a fair amount of tactical firearms training.. The finger does not go on the trigger until you are ready to fire the weapon. The 1911 is a great pistol, I have more than my share, however some 1911's are not as safe if dropped. They can fire, especially if the have a soft firing pin spring .Yes even with the thumb safety on and the grip safety engaged. If you are carrying a 1911 everyday, do yourself a favor and have an extra strength firing pin spring installed, it can help avoid this. Its not as critical if the gun is a newer design that has a built in firing pin block like the newer Kimbers or the series 80 Colts.. The Glock also has a built in firing pin safety for this reason. Keep the finger off the trigger and they will not fire until you are ready. Sorry about the rant, its just irritating when people blame the gun for operator error..
Reminds me of gun models as well... I have witnessed alot of AD's (accidental discharges) with guns like glocks and such that I will never own one. These AD's were with experienced gunfighters too... SWAT,SpecWar,USSS,DSS and FBI so please belay any lessons to me.Been there and done that. Some safety designs while nifty, just dont hold up in stressful,combat or hurried situations, IMO. Why I carry and own 1911's
The Glock is a very safe, well engineered pistol... Negligent or accidental discharges are NOT the guns fault. This is a nice way of blaming the gun for ones own mistakes. It doesn't matter what spec op group they are with or how much training they have had. I have had a fair amount of tactical firearms training.. The finger does not go on the trigger until you are ready to fire the weapon. The 1911 is a great pistol, I have more than my share, however some 1911's are not as safe if dropped. They can fire, especially if the have a soft firing pin spring .Yes even with the thumb safety on and the grip safety engaged. If you are carrying a 1911 everyday, do yourself a favor and have an extra strength firing pin spring installed, it can help avoid this. Its not as critical if the gun is a newer design that has a built in firing pin block like the newer Kimbers or the series 80 Colts.. The Glock also has a built in firing pin safety for this reason. Keep the finger off the trigger and they will not fire until you are ready. Sorry about the rant, its just irritating when people blame the gun for operator error..
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I was prying a rubber stopper out of a sink(not really a job for a pocketknife but anyway) one of my fingers slid the lock over,and here she came OUCH,(lot of blood)...:foot::barf:
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They make mini prybars for like $5, you can order one online at countycomm.com or you can buy cheaper oens at like lowes or home depot...
I knowa lot of people are guilty of using their knives for tasks other than cuttign but try not to, now you know it can be dangerous...Now that I have a mini prybar I find that I use it for all kinds of tasks...
The problem with liner locks is that there are so many being improperly made. A well designed linerlock and well engineered liner lock should offer you saftey against closing, unless you do something foolish of course. I read the following somewhere on the forum but here it is in my own words. The liner locking knife really became popular during the late 80's and early 90's. More and more companies begin offering the liner lock, especially since it was fairly easy to construct. What a lot of companies didn't do was construct the lock as a well designed and well engineered lock. This is what caused the problem. Now that there are many companies offering $8 to $12 liner lock knives, coupled with the imports that are cheaply made and there are bound to be failures. I've had liner locks that slipped off the blade very easily and I've had liner locks that stayed in place. I've never seriously used a liner lock as most of my knife cutting is on the light side. But it still boils down to the lock being made correctly. At least thats my $.02 worth
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The thing with linerlocks is that some are made slanted...and it meets the base of the blade on an angle, so its much easiler to slip back to the unlocked position with pressure from the blade...As apposed to some of the more lfat liners that meet the blade perfectly flat, they seem to be stronger in many cases...Just something I ahve noticed...
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The Glocks problem is a design problem. Dumbest place to put a safety is on the trigger. Anything entering the trigger guard can set off the trigger. Keys,cellphone,Badly designed holster or break,misdirected reholstering....etc etc. I admire all of you gun guys, I really do. But I respectfully disagree. Ask the Secret Service or NAVSPECWAR why they canned it.(Hint,above reasons) If you are comfy carrying a Glock,more power to you. They shoot.They do their job. I dont design guns.I carry one for work. The Glock being well engineered? Really? Okay.
Barrabas, Thanks for the Sebenza advice, I'll take you up on that! Heard nothing but good things about CR knives.
Barrabas, Thanks for the Sebenza advice, I'll take you up on that! Heard nothing but good things about CR knives.
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I never fully trust any kind of locking knife...
No matter what kind of mechanism the knife has, I use it as if the lock is going to fail.
No matter what kind of mechanism the knife has, I use it as if the lock is going to fail.
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Same here...Never had a problem...
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The Glocks problem is a design problem. Dumbest place to put a safety is on the trigger. Anything entering the trigger guard can set off the trigger. Keys,cellphone,Badly designed holster or break,misdirected reholstering....etc etc. I admire all of you gun guys, I really do. But I respectfully disagree. Ask the Secret Service or NAVSPECWAR why they canned it.(Hint,above reasons) If you are comfy carrying a Glock,more power to you. They shoot.They do their job. I dont design guns.I carry one for work. The Glock being well engineered? Really? Okay.
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The same can be said for Sigs and revolvers (revolvers and Sigs actually have no safety), and XD's if you are talking about firing while reholstering (where the grip would take up the slack on the grip safety). The bottom line is keep your finger off the trigger unless you are going to fire and you will be fine. It is pure mishandling of a gun to allow things other than your finger inside the trigger guard, and you should test out your holster and not buy a cheap and poorly designed one, period. I thought the military and secret service trials specifically wanted guns with the ability to repull the trigger without having to rack the slide on a misfire, which specifically would rule out a Glock. Either way it is unsafe gun handling, not the gun that leads to ND's with Glocks, Sigs, Xd's, and revolvers.
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Liner locks can fail because the locking leaf/tab isn't flat on the end; there's a slight angle where it engages the blade. Putting pressure on the blade (as if to close it) compresses the lock, but also introduces a shearing force due to the angle. The tab and blade try to slip apart, and with enough pressure, they will. Some liner locks will also partially disengage when the handle is gripped hard. Those are my top reasons for avoiding them.
