Got my first CRK Sebenza yesterday. The Emperor's new knife.

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I got the large 21. After playing with it for a day, all I can say is: "so what?????"

If you are on the fence after reading all of the near-mythical fan-lore of this knife, don't do it. This is the perfect example of the emperor's new clothes. It's a nice knife. Solid. No blade play and centered. Whatever...It is not a $450 knife or a $400 knife or even a $300 knife. It is a $220 knife that gives my Spyderco Southard a good run for the money.

Ignore the insane hype and hold one in your own hands before buying one. It's a fine knife but nothing more than that.

Sheesh, I'm a sucker, lol.
 
I got the large 21. After playing with it for a day, all I can say is: "so what?????"

If you are on the fence after reading all of the near-mythical fan-lore of this knife, don't do it. This is the perfect example of the emperor's new clothes. It's a nice knife. Solid. No blade play and centered. Whatever...It is not a $450 knife or a $400 knife or even a $300 knife. It is a $220 knife that gives my Spyderco Southard a good run for the money.

Ignore the insane hype and hold one in your own hands before buying one. It's a fine knife but nothing more than that.

Sheesh, I'm a sucker, lol.

.. if you feel that way it would make a great GAW for your 100th post..
 
I got the large 21. After playing with it for a day, all I can say is: "so what?????"

If you are on the fence after reading all of the near-mythical fan-lore of this knife, don't do it. This is the perfect example of the emperor's new clothes. It's a nice knife. Solid. No blade play and centered. Whatever...It is not a $450 knife or a $400 knife or even a $300 knife. It is a $220 knife that gives my Spyderco Southard a good run for the money.

Ignore the insane hype and hold one in your own hands before buying one. It's a fine knife but nothing more than that.

Sheesh, I'm a sucker, lol.

I love both of my Sebenzas, although mine are micarta inlaid which I think makes a HUGE difference.

Sorry you didn't like your Sebenza, but that doesn't mean that the "hype" is "insane". The Sebenza just wasn't for you, a great many others love theirs.

At least you can sell yours for almost what you paid for it.
 
I got the large 21. After playing with it for a day, all I can say is: "so what?????"

If you are on the fence after reading all of the near-mythical fan-lore of this knife, don't do it. This is the perfect example of the emperor's new clothes. It's a nice knife. Solid. No blade play and centered. Whatever...It is not a $450 knife or a $400 knife or even a $300 knife. It is a $220 knife that gives my Spyderco Southard a good run for the money.

Ignore the insane hype and hold one in your own hands before buying one. It's a fine knife but nothing more than that.

Sheesh, I'm a sucker, lol.

I'm curious, what were you expecting? The Sebenza is famous for three things - classic good looks, fit and finish, and smoothness. Point number 1 you can judge before you even hold the knife. The fit and finish and smoothness (once properly broken in) are exceptional, but you're right - there are a number of knives in the $200-$300 range that have similar properties. There are also midtechs in the $500-700 range that have similar properties, or even fall short of the Sebenza. It's not going to do anything a $200 knife can't, or even a $100 knife. These are luxury items, and you get diminishing returns the more money you spend on a knife. I do wholeheartedly agree that anyone considering buying one should go out of their way to handle one first - the same with any other high-dollar knife. Not every knife is going to be for you. When people drop that kind of cash on something that turns out to not be for them, they gripe about it online.

I'm sorry you don't like your Sebenza, but perhaps your expectations were unrealistic.
 
Buyer's remorse?

Sorry couldn't resist.
Kidding aside, this is an interesting/refreshing hint.
In fact i feel the same with many other knives/products.
It's probably best to hand it in person before you buy, if that's possible.
Once I recommended a knife to a friend and although he handled the exact model before buying, he was unhappy with it.
red mag
 
I'm curious, what were you expecting? The Sebenza is famous for three things - classic good looks, fit and finish, and smoothness. Point number 1 you can judge before you even hold the knife. The fit and finish and smoothness (once properly broken in) are exceptional, but you're right - there are a number of knives in the $200-$300 range that have similar properties. There are also midtechs in the $500-700 range that have similar properties, or even fall short of the Sebenza. It's not going to do anything a $200 knife can't, or even a $100 knife. These are luxury items, and you get diminishing returns the more money you spend on a knife. I do wholeheartedly agree that anyone considering buying one should go out of their way to handle one first - the same with any other high-dollar knife. Not every knife is going to be for you. When people drop that kind of cash on something that turns out to not be for them, they gripe about it online.

I'm sorry you don't like your Sebenza, but perhaps your expectations were unrealistic.

I hear you. I do suppose I am griping but that wasn't really my intent. I'm a pretty avid collector and this knife fits just fine in my collection. It's just that the Sebenza gets treated with a reverence that I just don't think is deserved. I have many knives that I think are just as solid, just as elegant, etc. There is soooo much hype with the Sebenzas, I just wanted to let people who are 'on the fence' know that IMO the hype isn't deserved.
 
I was on the fence and got my 25 in yesterday. I feel the hype is totally deserved. Theres something that cant be explained about a sebenza until its in your hands. I guess you can feel the quality? Yes, there are other knives that are more fun (to me) to fondle but this knife is pure class. To put it simply, it doesnt take a genius to understand the sebenza might now be for every body, despite the hype. In my case I feel it is well worth the money! Different strokes for different folks, and thats ok!:thumbup:

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Well, return it for your money back or sell it off on the exchange for most of you money back. At the very most you lost a little walking around money to test drive one of the most iconic knives on the market.

No need to start a thread whining about how you are a sucker. Most people won't agree with you.

I recently got a large 21 with micarta inlay off the exchange. For what I paid it is totally worth it and well deserves the hype.
 
This is a good reminder that one should sometimes take a step back and just approach/appreciate things for what they are, putting aside all the discussion built up around them. My small Sebenza is a comfortable, very well-made little knife, and it doesn't aspire to be anything more than that:
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I got the large 21. After playing with it for a day, all I can say is: "so what?????"

If you are on the fence after reading all of the near-mythical fan-lore of this knife, don't do it. This is the perfect example of the emperor's new clothes. It's a nice knife. Solid. No blade play and centered. Whatever...It is not a $450 knife or a $400 knife or even a $300 knife. It is a $220 knife that gives my Spyderco Southard a good run for the money.

Ignore the insane hype and hold one in your own hands before buying one. It's a fine knife but nothing more than that.

Sheesh, I'm a sucker, lol.


BTW, pictures or it did not happen.....:D
 
Just a FYI. Sal has said that if the the Southard was made in the USA, it would be $400+.

You also have to remember that bearing pivots are a lot easier to manufacture than pivot bushings. It takes and extreme amount of precision to get a pivot bushing the be smooth with no blade play. On a bearing pivot, you can just tighten the pivot further because of the lower friction.

I also wonder how easily the Southard comes apart and goes back together perfectly centered and fitted every time. That to me is the easiest way to tell the amount of precision that went in to making it. If it goes together very easily and is perfectly centered every time with no fuss, then you have some extremely flat parts. If you have to play with it a bit to get it centered, something is every so slightly off.

Doesn't affect the performance at all, just minor differences but as anyone knows, the higher up you go, the more expensive incremental steps become.

The cost difference between making a car go 0-60 in 5 seconds instead of 8 is tiny compared with the cost of making a car that goes 0-60 in 4 seconds do it in 3.

Just because a $50 knife might be twice as good as a $25 knife doesn't mean a $400 knife is twice as good as a $200 knife.
 
^ Diminishing returns. Everyone has their own [price] point.

Some of you guys get too defensive about things, lol. He didn't say he didn't like the thing, just that his expectations were higher than could have/should have been. I felt the same way about the PM2 when I got it. I don't dislike it, I just don't have the same obsession that almost every other owner seems to possess.

IMO, this thread is refreshing! It's honest. :thumb up:
 
My first Sebenza (small 21) I felt a little the same way. It was hard to get over how this knife could cost so much compared to others. However, I began to carry it more and more and soon after that I appriciated all the fine details this knife has. I picked up a Large 21 with Inlays and truley love that blade but it doesn't see much carry time. I almost always have my Small Sebenza on me now. Give it some time and see how it works out for you. :thumbup:

Agree with Screwdriver, let's see some pics.
 
Hype? No. Everything positive that is said about the Sebenza is well deserved. Just because it's not for you doesn't mean that all of those positive things are merely "hype".

Mine is one of the few knives in my decently sized collection that won't ever be for sale. It is simply flawless:

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I hear you. I do suppose I am griping but that wasn't really my intent. I'm a pretty avid collector and this knife fits just fine in my collection. It's just that the Sebenza gets treated with a reverence that I just don't think is deserved. I have many knives that I think are just as solid, just as elegant, etc. There is soooo much hype with the Sebenzas, I just wanted to let people who are 'on the fence' know that IMO the hype isn't deserved.

Even among all of the hype about them, I often hear people saying that they are not for everyone, and I cetrianly agree with that sentiment.
I have many knives that do certain things better than the sebenza. Better edge retention, better slicing performance, faster action, etc., but all of those knives have still fallen short of the Sebenza on a few major things (I use a Sebenza 25):
1. The Sebenza is not only made to be able to be taken apart, but is encouraged to be for service and maintenance.
2. The Sebenza is one of the easiest knives to sharpen I own. It does not hold an edge forever, but it holds an edge MUCH longer than any other knife that is nearly as field-serviceable.
3. The Sebenza is perfectly easy to maintain and clean. I have used my Sebenza as a backup to my field knife for hunting and it has performed better than I could have thought. Then it comes apart and is completely cleaned out in less than 30 mins. In a tent...you don't get many knives that pull that off.

Now, is that the "perfect" knife? Nope. There isn't one.
Is it my prefered EDC? Nope. I carry may Shirogorov 95T WAY more than I carry my Sebenza. That's just my preference though, and this is just yours. Nothing wrong with it, but I'm trying to be fair because I don't think that the value and the good points of the Sebenza can be seen right away.

While I think you are fully entitled to your opinion, the use and longevity of the Sebenza is its true value and why it has the hype. I would easily wager that with equal amounts of use, my Sebenza will outlast my 95T, and most if not all of my other knives. It was built that way, and that is why I have confidence in it. There are many many reasons that the Sebenza is a great knife, but it needs to be used and put to what it is meant to be put to in order for the knife to be worth the money in my opinion.

I didn't really feel the hype was warranted at first too. I felt immediately the immense precision with which the knife was made, but at first I didn't really apreciate that or what it means, and I was a little underwhelmed too. Then I took the knife on a hunting trip on a whim (first time I had really used it), and I found out how great of a knife it really is. I have a lot of expensive knives go through my hands, and this one is the only one that I can take with a pack, and only need the takedown tools, a small ceramic fine stone, and a small strop, and be set for a month or more if I need to for using it.

Just my counter to your argument. I think if it doesn't fit you then that's it, and there's really nothing wrong with that, but I would give it more of a chance because I think you can't appreciate a Sebenza truly until you have had it for a while.
 
I felt the same about my first Sebenza, so I sold it. About two days later I started feeling like something was missing....so I bought another one.

I love my 21, and it is more well built and designed than all other customs and midtechs I have owned.

BTW, what other knives do you think are "just as solid and just as elegant"? I'm just curious for my collecting purposes :)
 
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