Got some sheeple gasps this weekend

[Thomas Linton]

Playing soon at a theater near you: "TEXAS KATANA MASSACRES."
The blood! The gore! The half-clothed starlets in danger!!!!!

 

[Bilker]

The local sheeple here usually slow down to look whenever I am chucking knives and axes at the range in my yard. Also when praticing with my bow. Fortunately no one has complained and a few interested ones have even asked to learn how to chuck stuff! Most of the local kids think it's cool, and my yard is about the only one they don't cut through with their bikes, LOL.

 

[tickertrouble]

My hope is that there will always be enough of the "rebel" left in Americans that we won't let the Wussy Ultra Liberals legislate away all of our freedoms for the sake of a percieved safety. I think we ought to adopt the Confederate Rebel Flag to fly just below the Stars and Stripes. No offence to African Americans, of course is intended. I would just take that part of the Rebel Flag's meaning that says "We the people won't be ground under your heel." I live up North, here in Ohio, by the way.

No, believe it or not the liberals aren't the problem. It's the sheeple that scream for restrictive laws who are the menace along with those politicians who force knee-jerk legislation through because they think it's a vote winner.

Give me any day a liberal who can see several sides of an argument and form conclusions based on reason and not hysteria. Sheeple just ain't like that!

 

[Gryffin]

The blood! The gore! The half-clothed starlets in danger!!!!!

I'm soooooo there.

 

[A Dogs Best Friend]

No, believe it or not the liberals aren't the problem. It's the sheeple that scream for restrictive laws who are the menace along with those politicians who force knee-jerk legislation through because they think it's a vote winner.

Give me any day a liberal who can see several sides of an argument and form conclusions based on reason and not hysteria. Sheeple just ain't like that!

Well, I'm not claiming that it's all "the Liberals" fault. I said Ultraliberals, actually. Liberalism, per se, is not necessarily a bad thing. It' the radical Liberalism of the past several decades that I believe has caused so many social problems in this country, anyway. And, of course, radical Conservatism can and does cause just as many social problems in it's own way. This is why, in the future, Liberalism will one day overtake Conservatism (yet again) as the most forceful political paradigm in the US.

But, you are right, there have to be enough screaming, fearful "sheeple" to back the nonsense that politicians shove down our throats.

 

[Psychopomp]

My hope is that there will always be enough of the "rebel" left in Americans that we won't let the Wussy Ultra Liberals legislate away all of our freedoms for the sake of a percieved safety.

I don't understand where this whole idea of liberalism = anti-weapon comes from. I'm as liberal as it gets, I hate Bush, I think the war is wrong... but I love my knives and I know how to handle a gun, and I'll put up a fight if someone tries to take them away (liberal or conservative).

 

[A Dogs Best Friend]

I don't understand where this whole idea of liberalism = anti-weapon comes from. I'm as liberal as it gets, I hate Bush, I think the war is wrong... but I love my knives and I know how to handle a gun, and I'll put up a fight if someone tries to take them away (liberal or conservative).

Psycopomp, Check the last 30 years of history in the US. Just about every piece of anti gun legislation written and/or passed was initiated and supported by Democrats, which are the Liberal party in this country. As a general rule these pieces of legislation get little, if any suppport from the Republicans (ie: Conservatives). Usually Liberal means antigun, but not always.

 

[Gryffin]

I'm as liberal as it gets, I hate Bush, I think the war is wrong...

Hey, I'm conservative (with a libertarian bent), and I despise Bush (I actually held my nose and voted for Kerry in protest), think the war was wrong (Bush's biggest crime: distracting us from the REAL war on terrorism, i.e. bin Laden & co., to re-heat up his father's leftovers, i.e. Saddam), own and use guns and knives and otherwise engage in a wide array of non-Politically-Correct behavior. I feel your pain.

I always found it odd that "liberal", a word that normally means permissive and open-minded, in politics means almost the exact opposite: a compelling need to tell you what you can't do, "for your own good". :barf:

Of course, in the past few years, the word "conservative" has pretty much done a 180-degree turn for the worse, too... :barf:

Is it too late to resurrect the word "progressive"???

 

[Fearsclave]

IMHO, it's time to ditch both of the terms. So far as I can tell, "conservative" is used by people on the political "right wing" (to use another tired old useless classification) to describe themselves as being "everything good about the way America used to be back in the imaginary view of the good old days we like to believe in".

These same people use "liberal" to tar and feather anybody to the "left" of them as being "against everything good about the way America used to be back in the imaginary view of the good old days we like to believe in".

Both terms are meaniningless. Republicans and conservatives in principle are for individual rights, the right to bear arms, and against government bureaucracy, government deficits, and not getting involved in foreign wars, and yet the current, very conservative Administration has created huge government bureaucracies (the TSA and DHS) that among others routinely seize knives from travellers, is running huge deficits, and is involved in a couple of of foreign wars.

And yet he is supported by many conservatives. When that sort of semantic confusion starts happening, it's time to ditch the words and come up with some labels that work.

Take me: I'm for less government, fiscal responsibility, pro-gun, pro-knife, pro individual rights, pro freedom, pro gay marriage, pro legalization of marijuana, pro increased defence spending, anti BMD, pro Kyoto, federalist, pro the war on terror, anti war in Iraq, pro socialized medicine, pro streamlining government regulation and I voted Green in the last election. Aside from being Canadian, does this make me a liberal or a conservative?

 

[silenthunterstudios]

This is taking a road that will probably lead to the Political forum, but why do we need two distinct groups to choose from? Saying that, I haven't seen an independent candidate worth voting for. BTW, I can't wait to see the sheeple reaction to my new EDC, my Native III. Yep, I decided that it can be easily replaced, my Blink is too small for the things I do, and the Native III just looks so cool, cuts so well, and feels great!

 

[nenofury]

Give me any day a liberal who can see several sides of an argument and form conclusions based on reason and not hysteria. Sheeple just ain't like that!

Sorry dude, liberals and logic are mutually exclusive.

 

[nenofury]

Hey, I'm conservative (with a libertarian bent), and I despise Bush (I actually held my nose and voted for Kerry in protest), think the war was wrong (Bush's biggest crime: distracting us from the REAL war on terrorism, i.e. bin Laden & co., to re-heat up his father's leftovers, i.e. Saddam), own and use guns and knives and otherwise engage in a wide array of non-Politically-Correct behavior. I feel your pain.

I always found it odd that "liberal", a word that normally means permissive and open-minded, in politics means almost the exact opposite: a compelling need to tell you what you can't do, "for your own good". :barf:

Of course, in the past few years, the word "conservative" has pretty much done a 180-degree turn for the worse, too... :barf:

Is it too late to resurrect the word "progressive"???

You're not conservative.

 

[Gryffin]

You're not conservative.

Wow, such a lucid and persuasive argument.

Care to elaborate?

Go back and read Fearsclave's definition of "conservative", first. Then tell me how I'm not a conservative.

 

[nenofury]

Wow, such a lucid and persuasive argument.

Care to elaborate?

Go back and read Fearsclave's definition of "conservative", first. Then tell me how I'm not a conservative.

Is he your daddy? Conservatives are enlightened people that use logic and common sense. Voting for John Kerry is totally irresponsible and illogical no matter how much you dislike Bush. Bush is at least one step to the right. Kerry is a 100 yard dash to the left.

 

[nenofury]

does this make me a liberal or a conservative?

Too many contradictions in your likes/dislikes. My guess is that you don't fully understand what you are for and against.

 

[Gryffin]

Is he your daddy?

No, but I liked his summary of what "conservative" used to mean. To wit:

Republicans and conservatives in principle are for individual rights, the right to bear arms, and against government bureaucracy, government deficits, and not getting involved in foreign wars

THAT is the sort of conservative I've always been.

Voting for John Kerry is totally irresponsible and illogical no matter how much you dislike Bush. Bush is at least one step to the right. Kerry is a 100 yard dash to the left.

Hate to tell ya, but both Bush and Kerry work so hard to court the "center", there ain't a whole lotta difference between the two of them, at least in their public pronouncements.

Perhaps I didn't make it clear originally; it was a vote AGAINST Bush, more than a vote FOR Kerry. Besides, I live in the People's Republic of New Jersey, my vote hasn't counted in years.

Oh, and who are you, or anyone else, for that matter, to say that anyone's vote is "totally irresponsible and illogical"? I know a number of dyed-in-the-wool, somewhere-to-the-left-of-Ted-Kennedy liberals who are highly responsible and intelligent. Their political choices are just as logical and responsible as mine, based on their priorities and values; they merely hold somewhat different priorities and values than I do. In the case of my liberal friends and relatives, we simply agree to disagree.

I know this wasn't directed at me, but it begs a response:

Too many contradictions in your likes/dislikes. My guess is that you don't fully understand what you are for and against.

Oh, so someone can only be conservative if he agrees without reservation to the entire Republican platform?

That's called dogma, not logic or responsibility. To think rationally is to observe, question, analyze, and draw conclusions. To not think rationally, well, THAT is irresponsible!

I can think of another group who believes that they, and only they, hold the "right" priorities and values, who demand that everyone adhere to those tenets completely and unquestioningly, and who take the attitude that those whose beliefs are different are worthy only of scorn, or worse. Some of these folks flew a few airliners into a couple skyscrapers and the Pentagon a few years back, you might've heard about it on the news.

 

[nenofury]

Hate to tell ya, but both Bush and Kerry work so hard to court the "center", there ain't a whole lotta difference between the two of them, at least in their public pronouncements. :

Exactly, but Bush is one tiny step to the right.

Perhaps I didn't make it clear originally; it was a vote AGAINST Bush, more than a vote FOR Kerry. Besides, I live in the People's Republic of New Jersey, my vote hasn't counted in years. :

I have only lived in blue states myself, but every vote is important. A true conservative knows that a Bush victory is valuable.

I know a number of dyed-in-the-wool, somewhere-to-the-left-of-Ted-Kennedy liberals who are highly responsible and intelligent. "?::

How are you judging their intelligence? Seriously?

Their political choices are just as logical and responsible as mine, "?::

Please tell me how ANY uniquely leftist position is logical or responsible.

Oh, so someone can only be conservative if he agrees without reservation to the entire Republican platform? "?::

Absolutely not. Most republicans aren't conservative, including president Bush.

To think rationally is to observe, question, analyze, and draw conclusions. To not think rationally, well, THAT is irresponsible! "?::

Word.

 

[silenthunterstudios]

Well, I got some gasps when I used my Native III from both Liberals and Conservatives !

 

[Fearsclave]

Too many contradictions in your likes/dislikes. My guess is that you don't fully understand what you are for and against.

I'm sure it no surprise to you that I think you guessed wrong, and that I don't see any contradictions. Care to elucidate?

Personally, I think that anybody who claims to know all the cures to all of their society's ills and who believes that their particular political ideology is The One True Way and everyone else is wrong, especially those bleeping [insert group to be demonized here], is either a Fascist, a Communist, a card-carrying member of al Quaeda, or the kind of person who thinks that their Dark Ops E&E Interceptor is the perfect knife for everything, from opening beer bottles to cutting their Christmas turkey to skinning their neighbour's cat.

I find that people who think that way aren't the best at getting along with others, and frequently wind up having really unpleasant major life events when their world view collides with reality.

 

[Fearsclave]

No, but I liked his summary of what "conservative" used to mean. To wit:

THAT is the sort of conservative I've always been.
That's called dogma, not logic or responsibility. To think rationally is to observe, question, analyze, and draw conclusions. To not think rationally, well, THAT is irresponsible!
[...]
I can think of another group who believes that they, and only they, hold the "right" priorities and values, who demand that everyone adhere to those tenets completely and unquestioningly, and who take the attitude that those whose beliefs are different are worthy only of scorn, or worse. Some of these folks flew a few airliners into a couple skyscrapers and the Pentagon a few years back, you might've heard about it on the news.

Well put, sir, and thank you !