Got to love the Delica.

Originally posted by marty123
Also, fishbulb, you say that you've seen many strange failures of injection-molded nylon parts.
I can recall having some injection-molded parts fail on me on odd occasion, things like Fastex-type quick-release buckles, but I believe those items that failed are not FRN (Fiberglass Reinforced Nylon); not reinforced nylon but just plain nylon with nothing added.
I know a some others on BF have criticized FRN, but FRN knives without metal liners, as done by Spyderco, seem fine with me.

And I am secure enough in my emasculation to state this opinion openly. (funny)

I'm an engineer for a manufacturing company that uses both standard nylon and FRN in many parts. When I first saw the applications that we used it for I was very impressed, and there are a few of my earlier posts around here that express a favorable opinion of FRN.

The more I started working with the materials and learning about some of the less favorable properties that they have I started to lose faith in it. There have been many occasions where I have seen these parts fail in unexpected ways, usually with no warning.

Even something as simple as changing the mold or changing suppliers can drasticly change the properties of supposedly identical parts.

Nylon also absorbs quite a bit of moisture, and the properties can change drasticly because of this.

While these problems cannot be eliminated, they can be controlled.

Spyderco is a good company that has a lot of experience with the material, so I would expect that they have a handle on these issues.

Personally I have had generally unfavorable experiences with FRN and am unwilling to trust it for important applications, but I have found that when paired with quality sheet metal work it is one of the very best low-cost engineering materials. I am more inclined to purchase knives that reflect this.
 
I respect your opinion, and I'm sure that you have much more experience with FRN having worked with the Material. I can assure you though that I have never had any problems with Unlinered FRN from Spyderco, nor could I see there being a problem. I've never heard any complaints about FRN handles from Spyderco. Admittedly though, I have only been here a few months.
-Kevin
 
Thanx for the input so far. Good thought.

Thicker in cross section? countoured or flat?

Black reversible wire clip?

Hey Fishbulb. I agree that FRN has its limitations. I've not yet met a material that doesn't. We've built more than a million FRN Clipits over the past 14 years. We have had very good results. The FRN Clipits provide a great deal of reliable cutting power for the buck. We make more expensive models that have the desired features. We just can't put them in a model without the price going up.

sal
 
Originally posted by Sal Glesser
Thanx for the input so far. Good thought.

Thicker in cross section? countoured or flat?

Black reversible wire clip?

sal

I like the cross section as it is. Contoured. Yes, a black reversable wire clip would be great and a blade about 1/8" shorter so I can carry it in Washington or Atlanta.:D
 
I tend to be partial to my older version. I'll second (or third, or whatever) the notion that the blade be kept just shy of 3", simply because if it's clearly even 1/16" short of 3, there's no room to be hassled. My friends laugh when I explain to them about Protech making switchblades that are 1 15/16" long to fit into California guidelines... but they fit, and they sell. So keeping the delica (or returning it) to just shy of 3" is probably a good idea.

I hadn't paid much attention to the fact that the newer models have a thinner cross section of FRN around the pivot, since I haven't really bothered to replace mine yet, but if folks are having issues with the thinner cross section, I'd recommend making it thicker. Mine has survived far more than it was intended to (including being thrown into trees, etc) with the thicker cross section. It was from circa 1992, I think, if you've gone through so many variations. It was an engraved run of 500 for Chesapeake Knife&Tool if that helps place it. But thicker is usually stronger, so if some folks have issues with the strength of FRN, a little more around the edges can't hurt.

Dunno... it's hard to really improve on the thing. I'd agree that affordability is a big part of this knife, so going too exotic with materials on a regular production run that wasn't a numbered piece like the CF delica would really hurt it as a model. But I can't see how a downgraded model would hurt, since the serrations just never quit. On top of that, a model in Aus-6 or 440A might even be affordable enough to make and sell that you could edge back into places like REI, and (without knowing anything about big chain markets) maybe even Wal-Mart? I'm not sure if that'd help or hinder Spyderco's reputation, but hey, wally world's a big market. And who knows... get someone hooked when they're still on a budget, and they'll likely look your way again when they can afford something more. I hate to point out how narrow minded some folks can get on some things, but for a lot of people, brand recognition carries a lot of weight... even if the brand isn't exactly holding up their standards. Witness the Frantic Ford/Chevy/Dodge rivalry, especially in the south, and you'll see what I mean. So weaning folks onto a spyderco diet in places like Wal-mart might help. Why the hell people still carry Gerbers I'll never know, mine never held and edge worth a damn, but Walmart carries plenty of those...

Beefing up the nylon around the pivot, and a shorter blade would make for a stronger, still affordable knife that fits comfortably within any 3" legal guidelines, and would still work just as hard as it always has. (IMHO)
 
Hi Sal,

I just posted a reply to another thread, expressing my dislike
of the wire clips.

Please give people a head's up if you are going to change
the Delica's current clip to a wire clip. I so dislike the
wire clip on my Salsa that I'd want to buy a couple more
Delicas with their current clip...

Just my opinion...
 
Originally posted by Diamond Cut II
How about interchangeable clips? Like FRN, Regular, and Wire?

more clips = more expense, more complicated manufacturing and inventory, etc. I'm sure that even offering both black and polished clips as Spyderco has is a bigger headache than we (ELU) will ever be aware of.
 
Sal,

Please do a Sprint run of these....pretty please. Oh yeah, with sugar on top!

If it were to come about in G-10 could it have the three screw clip?

Sincerely, Jeff/1911.
 
I believe this has already been stated, but I'd like a little stronger point. Everytime I see a new Delica or Endura I look at that tip and just think to myself, "That ain't going to last." Maybe have the angle in the last 1/2 inch of the tip get slightly more obtuse. I kind of think of the FRN Delica as a hard work knife, it always has been for me. But that tip just does fit that image, I've yet to see an Endura or Delica that gets used regularly over a year old with a perfect tip. Anyway, if you don't make this change I'll still buy'em.
 
Originally posted by Sal Glesser
I don't think that a flat grind would be preferred by the general market, but a G10 handle Delica with a flat grind VG-10 blade might make an interesting Sprint run for knife aficianados (& me).

or perhaps a Titan handle, integral compression lock Delica with a flat grind ZDP-189 stainless blade?

Naturally we'd put a 4 way clip on either one.

sal

I think I just wet myself :D
Perhaps it was those funney mushrooms I had for tea, but I could swear I just read Sal say a sprint run of ZDP-189 steel Delicas with titanium handle and intergral compression lock :eek: :eek:
Nah, can't have, not even mushroom induced halucinations are ever that good (or so I heard;) ).

Where can I send the money today ?
Heck, if it ever came about I'd badger everyone I know to get one as well, even if they didn't know they wanted one at the time :D

Failing that the G-10 full flat ground sprint version also sounds very good. Did I say "good", I meant bloody brilliant. What the heck, I'll get a couple of each :D
 
How to improve the current model ?
Change the handle to smooth black or dark burgandy micarta, give it a "leaf shaped" drop point blade of VG-10 and make it full flat grind. Maybe even a name change to "Calypso Jnr Executive" for instance :D :D :D

Seriously -
As for the SS Delica I think an upgrade in the blade steel is overdue. I've noticed that Spyderco seem to try and balance the price of the FRN and SS models by matching one quality of blade to the opposite quality of handle (not that eithers bad), but I think a lot of people unfamiliar with FRN find it feels "cheep" so I suspect that they would naturlly expect to pay more for the SS model. Ok, match their expectations and give them (and me ;) ) a slightly more expensive SS model with an improved blade steel.

Please don't make the FRN handles wider, it is one of the reasons I'm not keen on the FRN models, they seem over bulky in the pocket for such a small knife.
If you wanted to add increased grip a more contoured FRN handle like the Meerkat would be preferable for me.

Thanks again for taking the time to ask.
 
Originally posted by Morgoth412
I would buy one of each of those.

Question though...can someone tell me about ZDP-189 stainless?? I thought I was fairly good at knowing the bladesteels now, but that one! Never heard of it. How does it compare to S30V, VG-10, ATS-34, 154CM and the like? Thanks.
-Kevin

That threw me, too. A little research, and I'm _really_ intrigued...

So apparently ZDP189 is Hitachi's powdered-metal steel (like the CPM series, right?)

According to Spyderco's steel chart, it has 20% Chromium, and 3% carbon (!), and pretty much nothing else.

It can purportedly be hardened to between RC65-67 without getting brittle (!) According to Glenn Waters, "It can cut through dried bamboo without marking or scratching the blade. Is recommended for heavy work like chopping."

Hitachi is (or maybe "was") making at least a few knives out of a "laminate" of ATS34-ZPD189-ATS34. I've only found references (in English) to two of them: a folder costing 40,000 Yen (currently US$335.08 according to XE.com), and a "san mai knife" at an "unattractive" price (whatever that means).

I'm _very_ intrigued, but also a bit skeptical. Sal, you've obviously worked with the stuff; what's your opinion? It's obviously good steel, but does it live up to these claims?

Whatever the case, we're looking at a mightily pricy knife here.


References:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=157004&highlight=ZDP
http://www.spyderco.com/education/s...3+AM&mscssid=KKDWABUWHAX19PLH25B9Q1K923PX5W01
http://www.glennwaters.com/page9Materials.htm
http://www.isd-ishida.co.jp/English/SUS/knife.htm
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=233951&highlight=zdp

Remember, this is all internet research, and we all know how accurate _that can be; so I welcome any criticism :D
 
So is it possible for us to get both of these delica's Sal? Or is it a choice between the two. If it's a choice I have to think about this one.
-Kevin
 
How about a Delica with a bright orange handle that can float? I could have used that last week when I dropped mine overboard:o Seriously though, I'd like to see a slightly thicker tip on the Delica and Endura series. And what about a model with a G10 handle without metal liners? The Renegade and the Military models both have this feature, yet they still feel rather solid. That way an adjustable pivot could also be worked into the design. As far as the pocket clip goes, I've had experiences similar to other forum members. I've snagged the clip a couple of times and it cut through walls surrounding the clip. Maybe a three screw setup like on the Calypso, or just a two screw clip?

Chris
 
Originally posted by extremefishin00
How about a Delica with a bright orange handle that can float?
It should have HUGE handles (Archimedes' law, sorry)
 
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