Gps?

barrabas74

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I am looking to buy my first GPS...I have only ever used MAPS and a compass. I was wondering if there are any features or anything that I should look for. My price range is around 2-300 but I can bend. Is color a must? Please let me know guys.
 
Whatever you decide DO NOT use the electronic compass in the GPS for navigation. ALways use a manual compass for bearings.

I use an $80 Garmin Geko (no color no map) on my SAR missions just to get a location and goto route. I find the maps available on GPS to be less than usefull in rough terrain so I use topo maps still.

YOu can spend $600 on a GPS that has the same "basic" features as a cheap model. It all depends on what you want and what you are using them for color, maps etc...... The Garmin legend is a good start point.

Skam
 
It really depends on what you want to use it for, and where you'll use it. I'm getting a high-end Garmin eTrex from my wife for Christmas. This will be in your price range, especially if you look around and catch a sale.

The only "extra" thing I insisted on was that I wanted it with a SD card slot, thinking (or maybe hoping) that I'd be able to load more detailed maps of specific areas into it. In particular, the standard maps on GPS units don't show hiking trails, logging roads, etc. I'm hoping I can load more detailed maps into it that will. We'll see how it goes.

I want the GPS for a couple of things. One is going geocaching. I'm hoping that as an activity it'll help the kids get excited about being out in the woods.

Another is that when I'm out hiking/biking/traveling, I sometimes want to be able to find a particular location on a map again. If you have the GPS coordinates, you can bring that spot up on google maps. For this application, any GPS unit will do, although I would still want it water proof.

I don't think color displays are required. In fact, I wish they'd make them without the color displays since that would give better battery life.

But no way does a GPS unit ever replace a map and compass. It's an extra, something that can make navigation easier and give you access to a fun recreational activity (geocaching). But it should never be thought of as a replacement for a compass and a good map.
 
I am proficient with topo maps and the like. I am going to be using it primarily here on the east coast. Mostly in PA, MD, KY, WV, VA etc the Mid Atlantic Region. I would be using it while hiking and hunting. I have heard alot of good things about them so I have wanted one recently. Is there something wrong with the electronic compass? is it not very accurate?
 
The electronic compass is relative to your direction of movement.
AT any given time you can zig, or zig and the display will be off by as much as 90° , depending.
Adsd to that, while in the woods, you will lose "optimum" satellite synch due to trees, or mountain ridges. The more satellites you are syched with, the higher degree of accuracy, the minimum being 3 needed to fix your position.

The GPS manufacturers even print a warning in BOLD letters regarding the use of a standard compass, and not relying solely on the GPS device.

If you walk 100 yards, straight line, in an open field, with perfect line of site to many sateillites, and cehck your display you will be pretty sue of your direction of travel. Take 3 steps in a different direction, and check it again, your margin for error just went thru the roof.

In short, you should always have a good compass accompanying your GPS unit. Why they don't provide them, is beyond me.
 
I don't know if there is anything "wrong" with an electronic compass other than my Suunto KB-14 with quadrants is more precise, never gives relativistic readings unless I want create one for some reason, and never requires batteries. I only use GPS to double check my navigation, never as the primary, because the GPS maps suffer badly when compared to decent topo maps and you should never have primary reliance on anything requiring continuing juice.
 
good points guys, I have never had much experience with one so I didnt know much about them. I might still buy one, but I am second guessing it now.
 
Not saying GPS is bad, its just not a substitute for traditional navigational tools and skills, geo chaching aside.:D
 
A GPS is a must for geocaching. And Geocaching is a good excuse to buy one...I know...I did. I also take it with me when I hunt but as stated...don't bet your life on it. Reason being they are effected by tree cover and mountain valleys. You also have to have charged batteries with back-ups. A GPS is NOT a substitute for knowing how to read a map and use a compass.

To me a model that uses an SD card is a must. You can download larger maps and more data. I just installed a 1 gig SD card into mine the other day and I will be able to load the whole USA topo map into it. By the way you will need some type of mapping program to know where you are. My Magellan didn't have any except the major roads. The woods were all a blank screen. I bought the Topo map for it and it is a life saver.

What I will generally do is mark the location of my vehicle and then turn it off. I know have a waypoint to go back to if I get lost. Using it this way saves battery life. You could also turn it on and mark locations along the way so that you could back track your steps.

I would put in my vote to buy one.

In His Service,
Reid Allen
 
What I will generally do is mark the location of my vehicle and then turn it off. I know have a waypoint to go back to if I get lost. Using it this way saves battery life. You could also turn it on and mark locations along the way

This is what I do as well. It's a great tool to have and I recommend you get a good basic model, but IMO treat it as a back up and you'll be much better off.
 
I'm fairly certain this applies to older GPS units, but newer GPS units (I have a Garmin eTrex Vista CX) have a very accurate electronic compass that does NOT determine directions relative to the direction of your movement. When using the unit, you do have the option of turning the electronic compass on and off. When it is turned off, it will use the method you described, but when the electronic compass is turned on, it uses a different method that is really quite accurate. It does, however, use more battery power, so I usually leave it off.

The electronic compass is relative to your direction of movement.
AT any given time you can zig, or zig and the display will be off by as much as 90° , depending.
Adsd to that, while in the woods, you will lose "optimum" satellite synch due to trees, or mountain ridges. The more satellites you are syched with, the higher degree of accuracy, the minimum being 3 needed to fix your position.

The GPS manufacturers even print a warning in BOLD letters regarding the use of a standard compass, and not relying solely on the GPS device.

If you walk 100 yards, straight line, in an open field, with perfect line of site to many sateillites, and cehck your display you will be pretty sue of your direction of travel. Take 3 steps in a different direction, and check it again, your margin for error just went thru the roof.

In short, you should always have a good compass accompanying your GPS unit. Why they don't provide them, is beyond me.
 
I've gota Garmin vista and like it a bunch. Bought to find my fishin spots after a fresh snow or from year to year on some of the larger bodies of water. On small bodies of water I havn't found the need for a GPS. Wouldn't hurt to have one in the mountains, but for the most part, if your woodsmanship is good you might just get one cause they're a fun.:D

IMO the screen on mine is small, but my eyes are failing:grumpy:
I looked over a friend of mines Lowrance and I kinda liked it, but for the most I think most companies make good units. IMO:)
 
I've got the Garmin GPS 60CSx. Color is not a must, UNLESS you plan to use your unit for street driving. There is not sufficient contrast to distinguish your route from the background in the grey on grey version. However, it is readily apparent the difference between the pink route and the yellow or green background in the color versions. I like the upgradable memory in the -x versions. I have all of the NE USA, most of eastern Canada, and all of the states on the best route from austin texas to new haven connecticut on one small hand held unit. The electronic compass eats battery power FAST. If you are moving, then it is a moot point anyway. Alsways carry a traditional compass and a map (along with your new gps unit) when it the wilderness.

The electronic compass is an upgrade that allows accurate determination of bearing when the unit is standing still. Models without the electronic compass will still give bearing, but only when moving.

In Garmin nomenclature, C denotes color, S denotes electronic compass, and x denotes upgradable memory.
So 60C is color, 60CS is color with electronic compass, 60Cx is color and upgradable memory (no electronic compass), and 60CSx is color with electronic compass and upgradable memory.
 
I have a Garmin eTrex Vista (mono) and I like it but . . .
  • As was said above, the screen (and text) seems really small to my 40+ year old eyes.
  • It does not have removable memory. I am limited to 24MB of uploaded maps at a time. This is plenty for a single outing, but I have to remember to load the correct maps before heading out.
  • Garmin maps are not terribly detailed and they don't allow you to upload maps from other sources.
I've been looking at going with a Brunton, because it has a larger screen, removable memory, can accept maps from virtually all sources, has GMUs marked on maps for most states, and will accept an external antenna.

My internal compass sucks and I tend to hunt in really dense woods. It is important to get in the habit of making a waypoint where your truck is every time you hop out to do anything more than glass an area. You should also take a bearing as you head out. Yeah, you may just walk in 30-40 yards and decide not to go any further. Then again, you may end up finding some really fresh sign or hear Grandpa Wapiti calling your name . . .

-- FLIX
 
Good advice has been given.

I can't comment on color, since that is really a matter of personal taste. Non-color displays can still provide a lot of information at a much lower price and lower battery drain.

As I see it, when buying your first GPS you have a couple of key decisions to make:

1. Will you use it while driving a moving vehicle?
If yes, then you'll likely want a GPS with maps, sufficient map storage space (either internal or on removable memory cards), and you'll need a display that is large enough to easily view while driving (a real problem for me). You'll also need some kind of mounting system so your nice GPS doesn't go splat during a panic stop.

Another option is to go with a laptop computer and a GPS/mapping software like those sold by Delorme. This was my preferred solution for use in a vehicle. Again though, you'll need some way of securing the laptop in your vehicle.

2. Do you need to view your location, or the location of waypoints, relative to nearby roads and/or towns?
If the answer is yes, then you'll need a GPS with maps and the storage necessary to use them.

3. Do you just want to be told where you are (via coordinates), or be given a bearing/distance from where you are to a waypoint?
If the answer is yes, then any basic GPS will likely do what you need. These are the very basic functions of most GPS's - they tell you where you are and the direction/distance to a waypoint (either where you were or a point whose coordinates were somehow entered into the GPS).

4. Are you managing a large number of waypoints?
If the answer is yes, I would strongly suggest you make sure your GPS will interface with a computer, and that you consider purchasing software like ExpertGPS which lets you create waypoints and routes on a map, it saves the waypoints and routes, and then lets to move them from your PC to your GPS and vise versa.

5. Do you need a GPS that will automatically calculate a route of travel if you tell it where you want to go?
If yes, some GPS's will do that, but since roads change, I tend to think a PC with good software will do that better than a handheld GPS.

Keep in mind that the some GPS's do come with electronic compasses. These electronic compasses are usually accurate to about 2-3 degrees and draw a fair amount of battery power. Most magnetic compasses are also accurate to 2 degrees or so, but don't rely on batteries. Of course you can do the same thing by getting a bearing from the GPS and using a compass to identify the direction. If you are using your GPS to do geocaching, where you are trying to "point" to a nearby target, then I could see an electronic compass being useful. If out hiking longer distances, then I can't see it being all that useful. In that case you can use a magnetic compass for hours without "drawing down" any batteries. If you choose to buy a GPS with an electronic compass, do make sure that the compass feature can be turned off in order to save battery power.

Most will tell you that you should ALWAYS carry a magnetic compass of some kind whether or not you carry a GPS, just to be safe.

Make sure you learn about UTM coordinates and how to use UTM grids to convert a UTM coordinate from a GPS to a location on a map, or to convert a location on a map to a UTM coordinate for entry into a GPS. A great site for this is http://www.maptools.com .

Also, you'll need to learn a bit about Datums and make sure that your GPS is set to the same Datum as your map, otherwise there will be some extra error in your coordinates.
 
Great Advice Kenk.

1. No
2. No
3.Yes
4.Not yet...
5. Would be nice

I have never used a GPS in a car though it would be a cool thing. I will look more into these things. Like I previously mentioned I am just getting my feet wet. I checked out the website you listed and it will def help me out. I would like to be able to download maps, which should narrow my choice. Thanks alot guys.
 
Color is not necessary even driving. My driving unit is a Garmin GPS V, non-color with plenty of contrast. It came with a good basemap and then you can load 19Megs of detailed maps for specific areas you can select. The unit I use for hiking is a non-mapping Garmin Geko 301. I leave the electronic compass off to conserve battery power and use a Suunto MC-2G. Mark your car and major turnpoints as you hike, but otherwise leave the GPS receiver turned off. Look at the Garmin handheld line, you should find something there that meets your needs.
 
I'm fairly certain this applies to older GPS units, but newer GPS units (I have a Garmin eTrex Vista CX) have a very accurate electronic compass that does NOT determine directions relative to the direction of your movement. When using the unit, you do have the option of turning the electronic compass on and off. When it is turned off, it will use the method you described, but when the electronic compass is turned on, it uses a different method that is really quite accurate. It does, however, use more battery power, so I usually leave it off.

You are correct. The old GPS units had to move at a minimum of a 2 or 3 miles an hour to get an accurate direction for the compass. I could explain why if anyone cares. The more modern units use a fluxgate compass and those units will give correct direction while not moving at all.

KR
 
You are correct. The old GPS units had to move at a minimum of a 2 or 3 miles an hour to get an accurate direction for the compass. I could explain why if anyone cares. The more modern units use a fluxgate compass and those units will give correct direction while not moving at all.

KR

SO long as you have perfect sat coverage 100% of the time. I have seen people walk in circles using fluxgate.

Use your manual compass for bearings please.

Never ever trust electronics, always have a backup plan.

SKam
 
SO long as you have perfect sat coverage 100% of the time. I have seen people walk in circles using fluxgate.

Use your manual compass for bearings please.

Never ever trust electronics, always have a backup plan.

SKam

Well, I guess that is possible though I haven't seen it happen with someone who knew what they were doing. I have taught land navigation in the army as a sargent in charge of a scout platoon. I have also taught orienteering for 16 or so years. I also teach land navigation (map and compass) and GPS use in my fire department for use during search and rescue and am a certified SAR tech through NASAR.

I have seen foolish things being done such as seeing people hold their compass next to their 12 pound cast iron belt buckle getting odd readings. That doesn't make it the compasses fault. I have also seen areas in the world where large iron deposits or lodestone in the ground would cause the compass to act irrationally. All this aside I wouldn't call the standard non electronic compass useless.

If you callibrate your gps fluxgate compass and you have sat coverage your compass will be very usable providing you know how to use it. I have taken very accurate readings with mine and been able to do some pretty neat things with it. They work.

Saying that, never, ever, go out into the wild without a map and compass as backup just in case but, there is nothing wrong with using the modern fluxgate compasses found in the recent gps's. There is nothing wrong with using the older non fluxgate compass directions in the older gps's providing you know the limitations.

Just my $.02,
KR
 
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