Graham Knives Stars & Stripes review

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Hello all,

I got in on the Stars & Stripes passaround and figured I would start my review. I will post some pics here in a day or so. Here is the link to the passaround thread with some pics of the knives. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=449622

You can also check them out on the Graham Brothers Knife site here: http://www.grahamknives.com/

In order to simplify this review I will break it down into 4 categories: Things I like, Things I don't like, Things they did well, and Things they didn't do well.

A bit of introduction, of course, like most of you, I have been a blade nut for years, basically since being given my first "Boy Scout Knife," a Camillus, years ago by my Pappaw (Grandfather for you non-southerners). It was shaving sharp and I cut myself a few times before learning how to properly handle it.

I have recently become a huge fan of the fixed blade EDC knife, especially the shorter blades that can be carried in a pocket sheath. While neither of the Stars & Stripes came with a pocket sheath, the smaller of the two could fairly easily be carried in a pocket sheath, which I probably would.

Things I like

I have become a pretty big fan of the Razel (RAZor-chisEL) blade configuration after using these knives. The lopped off point allows two edge surfaces, one could be kept sharper than the other. The point where the two edges meet is extremely sharp and quite stout. The steel (S30V for the smaller one and CPM 154CM for the larger) held the edge without question. In addition they were quite easy to resharpen (which I never really needed to do but can't resist touching a knife to a sharpening stone). I never found a need to scrape with the smaller edge but did find some creative ways to cut various items with it.

The steel is very thick, which not only added considerable strength to these knives, you'd be hard pressed to break them under even extreme normal use, but it also added comfort considering they have no handle scales. At one point I did try cord wrapping the two handles which made chopping much more comfortable but I'll talk more about that later.

The sheath carried very well. In fact I carried the smaller one on my strong side every day (except to church where I carry a lower profile in the pocked fixed blade). Tucked under a loose t-shirt, no one noticed I was carrying it. With the multiple-carry-position sheath and Tek-lok, included, one could carry them crossdraw, horizontal or vertical, even attached to pack straps. I believe the last method would work very well with these knives for hiking, or scuba diving.

Things I don't like
For chopping, the handles weren't the most comfortable. This was fairly easily fixed with a bit of parachute cord wrapped around the handle. It especially worked very well to do it in the japanese sword handle style.

I didn't find myself using the ring much. The handle on the larger knife was a bit too large for my hands using the ring but fit perfectly just using the handle as normal. The smaller knife fit nicely with the ring, but I am just not used to using one. With a bit of practice I'm sure I would grow to like it.

That's basically all I didn't like about them. Not very much at all, and given the scope of what I think they were designed for, not bad at all.

What they did well
Cut almost anything. I used both of the knives, especially the smaller one, for anything I would normally use an EDC knife for. They cut leather like it was butter. Rope was no problem. The larger knife even chopped much better than would have been expected for the size of the blade, despite the handle not being the most comfortable for this task. One thought I didn't get to try was to tie the larger knife to a stick to use it like a modified hawk. I think that would have worked quite well.

One thing I knew I wanted to try was to dish out a bowl in a plank for a bow and spindle fire starter. While I didn't actually make a fire, the 90 degree point worked wonderfully for dishing out the bowl.

The smaller of the two carried quite well, both comfortable and low profile for it's size on the belt. A pocket sheath would have made it even more low profile.

I used both for making fuzz-sticks and that was no problem at all, actually quite easy using the tip where the two edges meet for cutting out some very fine fuzz-sticks.

What they didn't do well
I cut up some apple and cheese for my daughters lunch one morning and I have to admit that the thick blades didn't do that well (not that I expected them too). They did cut the apple and cheese but because of the thickness wound up wedging and splitting the apple more than anything. Again, I didn't expect them to perform that well at this task, and keep in mind they weren't designed for this type of work where a thinner blade excels. However, your general paring knife would easily break if subjected to some of the things the Stars & Stripes Razel knives are designed to do.

Overall, I like these knives, and have already hinted to my wife that I would love the smaller one for any upcoming Holiday. They carry easily given their low profile and cut like a dream. Even having been used by one other tester, they came to me almost shaving sharp. Just a bit of touch up and I was back in the bald arm business.

One other area where I think they would work well is as a dive knife. Being low profile they would not snag as easily. Being all metal with no handle scales they would be easy to clean and lessen the chances of rust. The ring would be a great asset with retention underwater and it would be very easy to attach a lanyard.

Let's sum it up this way, I really hate shipping these knives on to the next tester in the passaround, but hope to one day soon, fill the void.

Thanks for reading.

Charles
 
Thanks for the interesting review. I just can't find myself attracted to the Stars and Stripe pieces. The Razel in general, however, is very interesting to me. I don't have one....but it's on the way. I'm in the queue on the Graham Brother's list. I'm getting the stubby Razel in CPM154CM. I don't have this steel and wanted to see what it will perform. The stubby Razel is 6" OAL. I think it will carry well in the pocket and not be too noticeable.

How did the CPM154CM compare to the S30V...any signifiance difference?

Thanks again for the review. Try to go ahead and get these knives for yourself soon. Almost everything I hear about them is very positive...except for cutting apples and cheese.;)

:)
 
I forgot to ask, but how do you think the Razel will do as a woods knife. You did mention making fuzzy sticks, but as an overall knife for hiking and camping will it make the grade?

Thanks,
:)
 
Plowboy,

To be honest, I think the Razel would make an excellent woods knife. The cutting strength these knives have is awesome. The tip is probably one fo the strongest I've seen, besides you actually have two tips. I don't have to ship the knives off until Wednesday so I hope to try battoning (sp?) the larger one to see how it works. I did see an interesting technique for battoning with smaller knives in a recent knife magazine where you stress the sappling over then basically baton the small knife and it will make the sappling split pretty easily. Might have to sneak and try that right quick.

As for the Stars & Stripes, I want one of the smaller ones to basically attach to my hiking pack to always ride there. I am also going to get one of the pocket razels (basically the same size without the ring and with the handle scales for an edc fixed blade).

Charles
 
Thanks, Charles. I counting the months until my Razel arrives from the Graham boys. When it does I'll give it a good test drive in the woods.

I enjoyed your review.
:)
 
Thanks for the review, I have been looking to get one of these for a while, I want the Krazel myself but the stars and stripes is a very nice model.
 
Thaanks for sharing!
I've drooling over razels for a while but custom ones are out of my price range (at least custom razels w/ring)
I thought wrapping handle with rayskin would be even better…
 
Thaanks for sharing!
I've drooling over razels for a while but custom ones are out of my price range (at least custom razels w/ring)
I thought wrapping handle with rayskin would be even better…

You can get the basic Razel starting at $165 while the smaller Stars & Strips runs $149. Just something to consider. One of the great things that I saw on the Graham Knives site is that payment isn't due until they finish your knife. Gives me time to save up. If I had to save up first it would take way too long.

Charles
 
You can get the basic Razel starting at $165

Now that's the question! Get Star'n'Stripes which means:
better steel
worse grip (paracord or rayskin wrappin adds up something)
ring (!)
kydex sheath included

or basic one in basic steel
micarta scales
no ring
+$15 for sheath

You wrote that Razel is quite thick. Hows cutting ability comparing to Spyderco Endura (saber ground)?
 
Cutting food, such as cheese and apples, it didn't cut as well. Seemed to wedge more than anything. Cutting fuzz sticks it did better than anything I have used before. Cutting other items, cardboard, paper, rope and such it cut as well as anything I have used, including thinner bladed knives such as the Spyderco. Again, I didn't use the lopped off tip edge much but in the testing I did, but the two points was a nice feature.

Keep in mind that the smaller Stars & Stripes is made out of S30v wile the larger is made out of CPM 154CM. For myself, not having a huge knowledge of stainless steels, I couldn't tell a major difference between the two. Given more time I'm sure some difference would surface.

All of the Graham Knives that I've seen and handled are thick compared to most knives out there. I like that. Gives the thumb a better purchase using a saber grip which is what I use 95% of the time. Their knives do have nice long primary bevels to give them a good edge geometry.

Charles
 
one more thing, Charles
Do blade length specs includes unsharpened part?
I making paper makeup of this 2 razels to decide what size fits better.
 
one more thing, Charles
Do blade length specs includes unsharpened part?
I making paper makeup of this 2 razels to decide what size fits better.

Good question Lenny. I didn't think to measure them that way but I do believe that stated blade length is only the sharpened portion.

Basically if you have larger hands, the XL will fit using the ring. If you have normal to smaller hands, the smaller knife will fit better. To be honest, I found myself not using the ring even on the smaller one. Just not used to using one so I wound up grabbing it like normal. One thing I did find though is that it was really quite easy to pull the knife hooking my pinky finger in the ring. If I carried one I would probably find the ring quite nice.

Charles.
 
I think you're right… ring is funny thing but i can do without it. I think I'll end up ordering basic razel (maybe with some bells - mosaic pins and stuff)
If 3.5" means sharpened part, the bigger razel is too large for me.
 
Why were you chopping with such a small blade? Other than that your review has convinced me that this is a waste of money when you can get a Utility Razel for a few bucks more. That said it sseems like quite a performer nonetheless.
 
Why were you chopping with such a small blade?

I just wanted to see how it would perform. My idea for this knife is as both an EDC and a wilderness/survival blade. With that I figured chopping would be appropriate. It actually chopped quite well for it's small size. Granted the balance isn't the best for chopping and the issue of the thinner handle. Wish I would of had time to try lashing it to a stick for chopping. I think that would have worked well.

As for cost, one thing that I hadn't thought of is that in order to get the multi-position sheath with the other Razels you have to pay $15 more.

It's one of those things, I can see the place for both. And since I'm always looking for an excuse to get more knives, I'll latch on that.

Charles
 
I know the Razel comes in many sizes and shapes. What are your thoughts about the Razel with a "belly" in the blade compared to the straight blades for outdoor/wilderness use?

Thanks,
:)
 
Actually hoping to get to hold one here sometime soon. I have the advantage that their shop is about 5 miles from my house. The bellied edge could definetely make it cut even better. Might even improve the chopping ability. For myself, I think I would prefer the straight edge though as it's a bit easier to sharpen with improvised methods. Just a thought though.
 
My gut feeling is that I would prefer the straight edge too. The belly may be a bit better for "in-the-woods" work. If you get hold of one with the belly, please put a note up about your thoughts.

Thanks,
:)
 
Plowboy,

Stopped by the Graham Knives shop today, actually doing a bit of hanging out and learning. They're really great that way.

Got to handle a heat-treated (meaning steel only, no handles) Razel ss3 with the belly. I do believe it would make a great cutter but my biggest hesitation is that the blade is just a tad bit too wide for my liking to be carried in a pocket sheath. So when the time comes to order one I think I'll stick with the regular Razel.

I did also get to handle one of their Pocket Khukuri's and I really like that one. It honestly looks like a great skinner.

Charles
 
Charles,

Thanks for following-up on the ss3. I bet you are right about the width being a bit too much for the pocket. It may be a knife that would do better in a belt sheath.

I wish I could drop by and see the Graham brothers. From all I hear, you're in good company while you're there.

I think I mentioned that I've got a stubby Razel on order from them. I'm trying the new CPM 154CM steel in this one. I've eyed that Pocket Khukuri on their webpage...it's an interesting one.

Thanks again for your help on the ss3.

:)
 
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