Granfors Bruk perfect field knife

Yes it is possible to improve materials used in old time proven patterns.
That was not my point.
Look at the patterns the natives are using. You are correct they might only have money for one tool, well then it is important that it bloody works well.
I do not drag around an armada of knife and hatchet patterns when I hit the wilderness; neither does the locals, wich in my case is the sami people.
You could drag an armada of hatchets, bowies, khukris and machetes and they would not change with you any way and they would get the work done in half the time you would. And these guys do use modern materials in f.ex. clothing and vehicles, but only if it works.
 
I'm intending to get one, Rusty. Lots of stuff to cut here, and I'm impressed with traditional blades.
 
Originally posted by collecter
I was looking for that perfect field knife that chops well but has an edge fine enough for other cutting tasks...
You might also consider a P.J. Turner uluchet, which provides a lot of capability in an easy-to-carry package. It is light, compact, versatile, and surprisingly strong. To me, it seems not quite as efficient to cut with as a true ulu, because the blade is not positioned directly under the handle. The tradeoff is that it makes a decent hatchet:

http://www.eknife.net
 
Lot's of good comments noted above but I think we are getting carried away.

I posted this thread to suggest the 'Small Forest Axe' as an alternate to a large field knife.

Of course it will never replace a full size axe and if that is the level of cutting any one is suggesting I would have to throw my chainsaw into the discussion!

Anyway, I went camping last weekend and got to use my small forest axe for real camping chores. Again, I was thuroughly impressed. My friends were very impressed to.

I also brought with me a Sere 2000 and a Swiss Army Soldier. I will probably bring both on my next trip but I would have been fine with just one of them.

I brought a large field knife but never used it.

My friends brought their own knives but I only saw them use their sak's and my Gransfors SFA.

I'm looking forward to the next trip. This one was a lot of fun!

Cheers,
Collector
 
Mextreme :

You could drag an armada of hatchets, bowies, khukris and machetes ...

Which was suggested by who - no one. I proposed a long blade and a small folding saw.

-Cliff
 
Hi Cliff,

I've carried that combo, large blade and folding saw, which works very well when noise is a concern such as hunting deer or moose.

Chopping echos quite a distance where I go hunting. But I still prefer the small axe. After the wood has been sawed it still needs to be cut, whether it's to be chopped for fire wood, ends shaped for what ever your building, etc.

I think when considering the combined weight of the large blade and saw, and the combined cost of those two items the GB small axe is the better value and better performance. It's also nice to have a hammer handy and the small axe does that better than any heavy pommeled knife I ever owned.

This small axe has shown itself to be just perfect for my needs in the woods.

Cheers,
Collector
 
collector :

[blade vs a saw]

After the wood has been sawed it still needs to be cut, whether it's to be chopped for fire wood, ends shaped for what ever your building, etc.

Bucking to length was the first primary use for a saw and for such it easily out classes an axe easily in terms of speed, ease of use and inherent safety plus handling sawed lengths is much nicer than pointed bucked ones (stacking, splitting, construction etc.). Decent size wood of course requires a decent size saw, but for shelter building and such a small pruning saw is fine.

Shaping is near useless with a saw, but usually much easier with a proper long blade than an axe, though in most cases even better with a small knife. A hatchet is pretty much a direct replacement for the long blade though for this type of wood working and usually slightly superior. The size of the axe needed of course depends on the size of the wood, pointing a 6x6 is easier with an axe than a long blade, but that is mall ninja fantasy thinking, shelters are built out of much smaller woods.

I think when considering the combined weight of the large blade and saw, and the combined cost of those two items the GB small axe is the better value and better performance.

The blade and saw will be lighter than the axe, or at most not significantly heavier, but the cost usually a lot more as there are not a lot of decent production blades of that type. The custom blade I am carrying now is several times as expensive than one of the smaller GB axes. Though there are a few exceptions. A Valiant Golok, or one of the specials from HI can give a decent khukuri for <100$. A decent saw weighs next to nothing and is very cheap.

It's also nice to have a hammer handy and the small axe does that better than any heavy pommeled knife I ever owned.

Yes, axes generally split much better as well.

I spent the weekend cutting wood using an Iltis Felling axe, custom long blade, and Felco pruning saw. Did a lot of cleanup, but got about a cord of wood stacking in any case. The saw got used on all the small woods and medium wood that was poorly rooted and thus impossible to chop. On those sticks it is much more efficient than any axe, and it can easily cut much cleaned to the ground which is very nice in heavily ingrown areas. On medium class sticks (up to about six inches or so) thick the long blade :

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does the limbing far easier than an axe. The much greater edge length allows a much fuller sweep of the branches for far faster limbing. Plus this size of wood is easily manipulated with one hand and the blade a lot easier to use with the other hand than an axe due to balance. A large pruning saw is faster if you were cutting clear limbs, but working in crowded trees the axe or blade wins readily due to the ability to clear multiple branches on a single pass.

On the larger wood the blade has limbing problems, especially on Black Spruce as the limbs can approach half the size of the trunk, eight inches sticks have four inches branches, and thus a decicated limbing axe comes into its own on even moderately sized woods. That size axe is also excellent for bucking that class of wood to length. To be really efficient I should take the Trailblazer saw (folding buck saw with swede saw blade), but I don't mind the extra bucking time, I use it for long blade evaluations on thick wood usually.

The main reason I would pick a long blade over a smaller axe is the uselessness of the axe for brush work and precision cutting in general. Try brush clearing for example with both. The above recommendation was not a list of tools you would take for dedicated wood cutting, but more as general purpose camp tools, for shelter building, path clearing, fire building etc. .

-Cliff
 
I've never had an opportunity to use an axe or hatchet since 7th grade... well, maybe in 8th and 9th before I left the Boy Scouts. I've also always carried a fixed and a folding blade. Now, I've never really needed, nor taken the opportunity, to do much wood cutting with either. But, after reading several of your responses, I think you might be able to help: I came across a Firestone Beltaxe, and I plan to carry it instead of a large fixed blade out here in the Northwest, where camp fires are illegal over 2500' in the back country or in several posted areas.
What's your, or anyone elses', opinion on this particular beltaxe?
I'll still carry a small puukko style fixed and a multitool, but I've felt a lot of the wisdom here points me towards including the small axe to my kit.
Any input greatly appreciated!
Thanks...
 
The Firestone Belt axe is more of a utility pattern than a optomized wood chopping tool like the GB Wildlife Hatchet. The GB will have the advantage in wood chopping and splitting, but the Firestone has ergonomic and bit geometry advantages for wood shaping as well as several types of cutting as well as having an actual pronounced point. The biggest problem I had with it was that the price was much higher than the GB versions, however a quick search now shows it at less than $90. However the steel description has changed as well, it used to be 440C, now it is just 440 stainless.

-Cliff
 
I kind of figured that due to the shape, it could better act as a multi-purpose tool. I've seen one demonstrated as a skinner and flenser, and even though I'm not a hunter, I could see it as a great utility blade. I guess between the three - a small fixed, a multi-tool and a belt axe- they ought to be light enough to pack around...
Thanks!

edited to add that I got the Firestone in trade for a EDMF Smatchet - another awesome chopping tool... but way too heavy for me!
 
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