"Gravity knives" - BS in NYC

I agree Professor, and I don't in anyway condone their actions, hell you ever try to reason with two 45 year old hard a**'s:rolleyes: .
The best I can do is keep myself as far away from them when they try to get through.
 
Originally posted by Professor
If you would, please tell your friends not to do that (sneaking knives past security for $hits and giggles, that is). They're sorta making like harder for the rest of us. Thanks!

Professor.
Breaking strict laws only results in STRICTER laws.
 
"He wouldn't hold them and give me a receipt to pick them up later, like they did at the Empire State Building. (Don't even get me started on that - what kind of damage do they think a guy with a knife can do at the top of a building? )"

Actually a good number of years ago someone did go on an attacking rampage with a knife at the top of the Empire State Building. I think at least one person died and several injured before guards were able to subdue him. I don't remember what year it was. But before that event they didn't have the metal detectors. Afterwards they put them in and had stricter checks. Even so, I was let through when I had a small keychain POS linerlock knife 3 years ago when I showed them beforehand that I had it. It had about a 1" blade. These post 9/11days though I doubt you'd be let through with any kind of knife.

On a side note, around the same time as the Empire State Building incident, some idiot took a ninja sword aboard the Circle Line ferry (a touristy ferry ride around Manhattan island) and killed a person by running him through. I think the rest of the passengers subdued him.
 
Hmmm, if gravity opening is going to be an issue with the "authorities", maybe, fixed blades are the way to go in the future. If that's what they want.... ;)
For example, a nice 3.5" blade, skeletonized handle, nice deep index finger groove, integral front hilt with a kydex sheath that can be clipped on belt (inside or outside) or worn upside down in neck or under arm. A nice touch of style (like thin white micarta slabs) might even make it less tactical or suspicious.
For example: Gaunt and Pertigo fixed knives by Polkowski at
http://ghca.org/index1.html




HM
 
If NY is anything like MO, you can't carry any fixed blade no matter how long. It is stupid, but it is the law, no ifs ands or buts about that one. If they caught you with a fixed blade here you would not be getting it back, and would quite possibly be arrested.
 
Didn't realize they were that age. Sounds like some of my croanies!

:)

Professor.
 
A couple of years ago, I tried to take a butter knife into the main smithsonian building - to have lunch at their cafe. They freaked out over it. So, I had to hide it. Then, I went to the cafe counter and borrowed theirs!

So much for "safety and protection".
 
Most of these "security situations" are assinine. There should be no problem in holding folks' knives for them, unless of course we are all "guilty until proven innocent."

The answer for most situations is to carry a small slipjoint for cutting chores, or at most, a medium size lockblade which is so tight it can't be flicked open. Preferably of a color/design which looks more "cute" than "tactical."

As for your S-D needs, a cane is one of the best things going. Just do some practice at all ranges of combat with it. Back it up with a SureFire or Streamlight flashlight of moderate size. If those are too expensive, a MagLite 2C makes a great fistload/yawara stick without appearing "clublike." A MiniMag will probably go anywhere.

Those who don't think they can "get away with" carrying a cane could carry a stout golf type umbrella, which can be used to jab with (using it like a club would be pretty ineffectual except as a distraction).

As for "breaking the laws" making for "stricter laws," that may be true.

At some point though, we will all need to start "breaking the laws" in order to exercise any semblance of "freedom."

Karl
 
Originally posted by T. Erdelyi
In a word yes federal law supercedes local law.
The link below is taken from the Statue of Liberty Securities Guidelines web page.

Asha'man ya gotta watch I know a few guys who like to play a game where they see if they can sneak their blades past security check points, IMO this is pretty stupid, but the real scary part is that they've never been caught, I won't get into the details of how, but suffice it to say it can and is being done.
Even though they use metal detectors, and X-Ray if someone wants to sneak one in they will, so don't be lulled into a false sense security, but don't try to beat the system either, I know my freinds will get nailed, it's just a matter of time. I just hope that I'm not with them when it happens.

http://www.nps.gov/stli/reopening/page3.html

Having just gone back to check out 18USC930 to see if there had been any changes, the important part, as follows, stays the same.

'(2) The term ''dangerous weapon'' means a weapon, device, instrument, material, or substance, animate or inanimate, that is used for, or is readily capable of, causing death or serious bodily injury, except that such term does not include a pocket knife with a blade of less than 2 1/2 inches in length.'

I wonder what would happen if someone produced a copy of 18USC930 and demanded to be allowed to go onto the ferry and onto Liberty and Ellis Islands. It seems to me that the NPS is putting itself not only over the local law, but over federal law. Under the circumstances, I can see people being nervous, but I work in a Federal agency in DC and I do NOT want this idiocy to spread. I mean, I stopped carrying my Gunting as my utility EDC after 9-11 as it was just too attention grabbing and I now carry either a Li'l Temperance because it fits the DC law of a 3" maximum blade length or I carry my Meerkat or my new Salsa with its blue scales. For those not familiar with Spyderco knives, the Meerkat has a 1 30/32" blade while the Salsa has a 2 7/16" blade, so both are clearly within 18USC930. My agency, the SEC, has set up magnetic gates for visitors but has yet to send employees through them, but if they do and they try to take my knife away, as other agencies have done to other Forumites, they are in for a fight. I carry a copy of 18USC930 with me for just that reason and have shown it around to various persons of authority within the agency in an effort to circumvent such a confrontation.
 
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