Great Eastern Tidioute Cattleman?

Dennis is correct, but let me clarify a couple of items.

Cuban / Stockman are not synonymous as there is a Cuban Muskrat as well. Cuban refers to the equal end frame; as in cigar shaped.

In my opinion it was a mistake to leave the cobblestone model with the same pattern number, but that is what their algorithm said the pattern is suppose to be. Maybe if they had left off the "W" it would help a little. But this cobblestone model has exactly the same components as the whittler, just moved the blades around. Still 3 backspring. still 2 large secondary blades. Don't know why the did it and they haven't said if this will be the only variant like this or not. I deserve the flogging for naming it a Cattleman, just didn't want to call it a stockman.

So officially they have a 53 Cuban Stockman, 53 Cuban Muskrat, 54 Whittler, and 54 Stockman (plus several other 54's).

Mike Latham
CollectorKnives.Net
 
For many decades, there was an equal end cattle knife pattern, with variations. Then a slimmer serpentine variation was invented, and to differentiate it, it was referred to as a stockman's knife, or a stockman. Same person (cowpuncher of sorts), different knife. Ignorance from influential people has confused the terms. Ignorance perpetuates the terms.
Ignorance damns us to repeat historical mistakes, like war, injustice, and bad politicians.
Charlie
A pained traditionalist.
 
Jenner 515 said:
I got one and like it. This thread veered away pretty quick.
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Good looking knife. Congrats!

If you want to see a "Left turn, Clyde" really fast, call it a moose. (ask me how I know.:D)
 
you're right fellows gec only has one knife in this blade arrangement at present.i really do'nt know how to explain the set of patterns guess moonwilson hit it on the head [gec follows own direction in naming models] my cobblestone should be here soon. one thing gec does is they seem to put a different jig on each bone handle. this is great with me since the 1st one i saw in summer of 2009 was hideous. was happy to see them start rolling with great jigging.2 recent acquisations are rthe smooth appaloosa & amber bone which are fantastic.
 
Jenner 515, you are proud of your knife and rightly so!
GEC's quality and creativity have gone up enormously since they opened their doors. They indeed make a fine knife.
I apologize to you, and all readers for voicing my complaints in your thread, in a rude and condescending manner.
I will protest directly to GEC for misnaming your knife, instead of making a fool of myself here.
I still hold that your very nice equal end knife, is a Cattle pattern, or Cattleman, and not the later evolution called a Stockman. It is difficult to deal with the conflicting terms, and that wonderful bit of history is lost by the mis-naming.
 
midnight flyer said:
I dunno... is it just me, or is the sheepsfoot found on a traditional Stockman pattern missing. It looks to me to have a large pen blade, then a more slim blade of that pattern.

I say "pen blade" or a spearpoint, because that doesn't look like a spey blade to me. It doesn't have near enough belly.

Wait... how is that a "Stockman" again?

As always, just my 0.02.

Robert
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Case does the same thing on some of their medium stockman knives. As far as I am concerned, a "stockman" with a pen blade instead of the sheepsfoot blade is not a stockman.
 
I know that some of you don't agree with GEC's naming of this knife, but I don't really see a problem. Is it what you would think of first as a "stockman"? Maybe not, but I personally applaud GEC for putting their own spin on an equal end stockman.

Is there really any reason that GEC shouldn't be able to put their own spin on things?

Are there some laws I missed somewhere that say only the same traditional patterns can be made? or that they all have to be exactly like a Case model to be a real pocket knife?

C'mon guys! We should be glad that an American company is still going through the trouble to produce high quality small-batch collectible-grade handmade knives in a price range that is affordable, rather than farming out production to slave labor somewhere and defiling a revered American brand name. We should be grateful and show them some respect.
 
joe-bob, you are missing the point. It's about the language, not the knives.
 
ditto to Waynorth. i've had cattleman patterns [ read equal end in ixl ,boker & cattaragus] any way the only clear explanation on gec patterns is to describe the knife. they have 7 knives on the same frame. actually 8 including the new cobblestone. as follows
big horn
big jack
moose
muskrat
muskrat furtaker
stockmam
stockman whittler
is that confusing or not? when discussing this enigma i do'nt see many generalizations.
 
my #54 whittler. not educated in the naming thing at all but this is a great slippie just the same. nice burnt stag handle.
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Oh my that is one pretty Northfield Cattle Whittler(you know I'm trying to gas some of you guys)! That is real beaut though!!
 
I don't think anyone was really criticizing that knife. By way of saying you don't understand something doesn't mean you don't like it or are being critical.

I think it is an interesting knife, and great looking.

But I have a serious question about the design. (Serious as opposed to a rhetorical "gotcha"!)

I don't understand why one would need to small utility blades on a knife that are exactly the same design. Granted, most of the designs favored by me are based on old patterns, which in turn are prized for their utility. Any thoughts on the purpose of two of the same blade, facing the same way in this model?

Perhaps I am being too literal here and should just enjoy the knife. It's a beaut!
 
I just ordered a #54 Big Jack with Buffalo Horn scales from Mike Latham...can't wait for it to get here.
 
midnight flyer said:
I don't understand why one would need to small utility blades on a knife that are exactly the same design. Any thoughts on the purpose of two of the same blade, facing the same way in this model?
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I agree with you in essence, and wish one of the two secondaries was either a Wharncliffe, sheepfoot or coping blade. But to be picky, the two that are on this knife are not the same. One is a pen and the other a spey. They are VERY similar, though.
 
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