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Greco Falcon....broke!

Put up or shut up, eh? Well, ya got me. It's only warped enough to disappoint me a little, not enough to send it back. Anyway, with all the other knives out there to preoccupy me I'm gonna stop worrying about why I keep hearing about bent Grecos.
 
"put up or shut up", but rather, hey give the man a chance to give you a refund or replacement. It is one thing to accept a faulty product and keep quiet about it. It is another thing to WILLINGLY keep a faulty product and then bring the integrity of the maker into question.

If the Green River is defective return it to Greco. I believe it would at least give him the opportunity to make amends and possibly clear his reputation in this instance.

Come to think about it, yea, your right...

It is "put up or shut up".

BTW-I have a mint dangler if you still are looking for a trade ;)
 
Well as someone who has a good unwarp Greco fixed-blade and WANTED a Greco folder ,I don't think someone has to return a product to give the maker a chance to "make good" before you complain about it. As Torz said it is only a minor warp, mostly cosmetic- but warp none theless. It is also not the only instance, there are other references to warp blades on this thread olone- it just points out poor Quality Control.
These problems maybe they are not bad enough to return the product, still they are useful to hear- they say "buyer beware" and allow potential customer to decide if this problems are acceptable. If yes then you found a good deal, if not then it saves him the chance of getting a product below his expectations or standards-
Enough said for me,
Martin
 
Originally posted by Mongrel
It is another thing to WILLINGLY keep a faulty product and then bring the integrity of the maker into question.
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Let me explain a bit about the words which I believe you found to be inflammatory. Where I said people shouldn't "pay good money for a failed attempt at getting it right" was in response to Will'em's post that we should give Greco time to work on and improve his design. My poorly stated point was if that's the case, it's not such a good idea to use customers for beta-testing. I didn't actually mean that Greco is selling "failed attempts".
 
Quite understood;) but you also miss interputed me, I myself wouldn't buy a folder from him because I'm not a big fan of folders but also because he doesn't seem to have much experince with them period. I would go to someone who specializes in folders to get a folder. btw can someone post a picture of the problem so i can get a visual of how bad the defect is :rolleyes: that way i can decid if i do indead understand or not.
btw I hope I didn't confuse anyone :rolleyes:
 
Will'em, Mongrel's earlier post about the falcon has a link to his photos. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=208459&highlight=falcon

My Green River's somewhat more warped than his falcon if I can judge by the picture. Luckily, the bend doesn't affect the use of the blade.

BTW I gotta admit that despite my earlier grumpier words I'll probably end up getting a dangler eventually. They just look too cool to pass up.
 
I want to step in here to apologize for my responses to the reasonable criticism of Greco's quality control at this point in time.
I was being overly sensitive to what are legitimate concerns over the quality of several Greco models. I'm sorry for coming off the way I did, you guys did nothing to deserve it.

I was bit by the Greco bug and have recently purchased many of his models including a total of four folders. Every one of them has the same problem with the blade to varying degrees. One, a Grifon, has it so bad I am contemplating sending it back, it is really bad. As of yet I don't recall seeing any of the fixed blades I bought with this problem, I will have to double check them.

martinj brings up a very valid point-why are these knives being released to the public in this condition? I can't answer that. Do I agree with it? No. Now that the initial Greco feeding frenzy and "my first custom\handmade knife euphoria" has passed I have had time to consider it-No they should not have been sent out this way. As much as I would like to shrug it off because of the extremely low price of $50, in reality these same models are now selling for $75, and were listing previously as selling for $130 or $90, I believe. For that kind of money you had better at least get a straight blade. You can overcome the stiffness by breaking one in (as I have already done to my utmost satisfaction btw), but warped, bent or poorly ground blades do not "break-in". Although a mild bend in a blade is no big deal, a bend is a bend. I have noticed that while using a flat stone there is one small section of the edge that just will not properly contact the stone and therefore is never properly sharp.

Perhaps, in time these blade warp issues will be worked out by John Greco. But for the time being I would recommend calling him directly and asking specifically for a "straight-bladed knife". It sounds as if he is the type of guy who would do that from what others have testified of him. I personally have never spoken or dealt with him directly so I can't really say. I will say this, I can still highly recommend the knife as one helluva tough folder, however I do recommend ordering directly as above to avoid getting a bent-bladed one.

Again, my apologies for the cheerleader mentality and attitude. The truth should always be spoken even if it isn't popular or easy to do.
I have tried to be truthful in my review of the Falcon, and will continue to be truthful in any review or comment on any knife I own. I think that we who belong to this great forum owe it to one another to do the same-even at the risk of hurting someones feelings in regard to their favorite make or knifemaker.

Torz and martin-thanks for your input on these issues, and for the link to my pics Torz.

I can say for certain that my Dangler is my favorite Greco up to now, and I have 13 others to compare it too. I should point out that the Dangler is the thinnest Greco currently made to my knowledge-it is only .134", or a fat 1/8th as we say in the field. I recently stripped mine bare and am beginning the polishing process. I did not care for the black coating and felt it hindered the cutting ability somewhat as it caused friction when going through thicker materials. Overall the Dangler cuts better than any other one because it is thinner. Also there is not even the slightest hint of blade bend\warpage at all, I mean 0. I think you would enjoy this Greco Torz if you are into small, light great little cutters.

Again, Sorry and Thanks to all

Sincerely,

Mongrel
 
good we all understand each other :D remember to post pics when your done working on the dangler;) :cool:
 
I think there are several great points here (no pun intended;)). I think I will email this thread to CQC knives as John does not have email but deals with CQC knives everyday I think. I would love to hear what John would say about all of this!:)
 
Hey that's a pretty stand-up thing to say Mongrel, I wasn't expecting anyone to change thier mind but I greatly respect those who are open to doing so. Ive posted some VERY dumb comments here before, my learning curve is definitely slower than yours :)
Seriously I think Greco's current knifes, maybe they are indicative of one big trend right now which held in high esteem on the forums- maximum possible toughness at the expense maybe of a more balanced knife, a knife that is tough AND cuts well AND has good fit/finish AND (for folders) has smooth action. Extreme emphasis on any one factor requires compromise perhaps on the others. For some this is acceptable, others it is not. I would be interested to hear Greco's thinking on these issues-
Martin
 
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