Greco MST II initial impressions

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A full review is forthcoming, but I jusr received this knife today so I thought I'd relay my initial impressions. I will have to email the person I got the knife from to find out its age because it is a bit different from another Greco I made a sheath for in the last year.
Anyway, I was pleasantly surprised when I unwrapped the package. I knew the knife had Micarta handles, but I naturally assumed black slabs with a matching black sheath. The slabs are a distinctive orange color instead! I don't know if these are the color of what is called "natural" Micarta or if these are actually an orange color. In any case, it is a typical Greco piece...1/4" thick A-2 coated to reduce corrosion. It is hollow ground and has a 5" clip blade with 5.5" or so handle. There is an integral guard and an exposed butt for hammering or the like. Holes are drilled in the butt for lanyard and there is a hole in the guard as well.
The blade has a swedge (unsharpended false edge) and all of the grinds are pretty close to symmetrical. The edge is thick, but sharp. Three allen bolts keep the handles on. There is an inch and a half or so of jimping on the spine of the tang/choil intersection, giving good thumb traction. The jimping is nicely rounded, so no cheese-grater effect here!
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The choil is stamped "GRECO" on one side and "A" on the other, denoting A-2 stock was used.
The handle seems too long to me. I think taking an inch off of its total length would work great. This would be fine with gloves on, though. The knife is very heavy and the balance point is 4.5" forward from the end of the tang. Despite having only a 5" blade, you could do some pretty serious chopping with this thing. John's knives beg to be beaten hard!
One thing I will say is that quality control is lacking on this knife. Greco's knives are definitely using pieces, so they lack some of the finish of more expensive knives, but this one has a few things that just plain look like sloppy QC (which is why I'd like to find out if it is a new or old model). One handle slab fits the tang perfectly, but the other is off (a little small) by about 1mm all that way around. Strange. The other gripe is that there are very deep grind lines evident all the way around the profile of the blade and tang (except where the edge is, of course). It wouldn't take long to clean up the grind lines before coating the blade, so maybe this one slipped through the cracks or something. The coating fills them is pretty well, and they aren't abrasive on the hand, but they are sloppy-looking.
Finally, the sheath is very nice. Very rich brown leather with a nice;y formed loop and a snap to hold the knife securely in place. It is a very well-made sheath, and it suits the knife well. I was going to make a Kydex sheath for it, but I think I like the leather too much to ditch it! A lot of character, certainly. Overall, an A-2 semi-production knife with a protective coating and high quality leather sheath is a bargain at the sub-$100 asking price, so the few QC measures are understandable. I like every knife of John's that I see, and this one is no different, especially with its distinctive orange scales! I'll have a full review at a later date...

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Chiro75, I am assuming that the 5.5" for the handle is total length, if it is, what is the functional grip length? Do you know any specifics on the heat treatment of the A2? Final RC? Cryo?

The edge is thick, but sharp.

Is it highly polished? If so, I would be interested in the slicing ability, is a working level of "bite" retained?

-Cliff

[This message has been edited by Cliff Stamp (edited 03-20-2000).]
 
The edge is polished, but the knife is used, so I do not know if that is stock or not. I think Greco polishes the edges, but cannot be sure. I do know that the previous owner touched up the edge beforehe sent it to me. This is my first large knife in A-2 (unless you consider Sean Perkins' knives large!
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) so we'll see how it slices later.
For the functional grip size, I'll measure between the guard and the butt, which is the classic "bird's beak) or whatever that type of sort of "loveless-style" butt is (if you have no idea what I mean, catch a pic of the Greco MST II at Hammerheadnives.com). That measurement comes out as about 4.25". Personally, I like knives with smaller handles a bit better because squeezing my hand into the grip makes me feel like I have more security on it. Maybe I'll grow to like this longer grip, however, when I eemploy it on larger jobs.

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John & Sherry Greco will be at the Badger Show, so we could ask them about heat treat/RC there. I've had my eyes on their pieces too, so I'll take a look at the show. Given that they had a reputation for toughness, I was hoping Cliff would "beat one up" and give us the results.

btw, Chiro--do you have the small knifes test results coming up soon? Eagerly waiting!
 
Greco will be at the Badger show??? Awesome! I should be able to ask about the grind lines and about the age of the knife. I'll have to bring my MST along. I wonder what other goodies he'll have there to sell. I can't wait for that show! It's going to be so cool!
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As far as the small knives test, it is on the backburner temporarily. I have it about 3/4 complete, but to give you a brief rundown of what happened:
I was waiting on a neck knife from Chris Hatin. We had a misunderstanding, and he sent that TEC Fighter I reviewed. He thought I wanted something with a 6" blade, not 6" OAL! So, I had waited several weeks for that knife and it wasn't the right thing, and in the meantime I contacted Hagar of Sgt. Blades in Canada and ordered one of his little utility knives to review. I'm still waiting on that, actually I am getting two, so once theya re received I will knock the rest of the tests out, add a couple pics, and publish the thing. That'll probably be the last big review I do like that. I should've had it done months ago!

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