Grinder advice

Thats a good question. I know I would like to be able to clear the mischaracterizing the pricing of the Esteem in this thread. I will PM a mod about it tonight
 
gadgetguy9000 said:
I have a question. If someone, which appears to be the case here, is mischaracterizing the pricing of a product relative to other products, how does the vendor correct the misinformation without mentioning the price?

John
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Excellent question. I have no idea, but it sounds like Brett is going to find out for us(let's hope he shares). My best guess is recommend people do a Google search for the correct information, PM someone directly and make your case for why they should edit their post because the information is wrong, or have a personal stooge post the correct information (also violates the rules here I believe, DON'T DO IT, IT WAS A JOKE!).

The two things I was tagged for were discussing how I was thinking of pricing a yet to be completed batch of knives, and then I encouraged people to get a hold of me if they had questions or interest in my knives. I owned up to the fact that I was just ignorant of the policy and made a newbie mistake. The mods let me edit my post and reopened the thread. While this place is much more heavily modded than the forums I'm used to, it's also bigger, and I suspect that without some fairly aggressive modding it would turn into the Thunderdome. **Begins chanting to self, "two men enter, one man leaves! "**
 
I can edit my post, so someone doesn't get the wrong idea about pricing, I was simply answering another members question.
 
I'm reading between the lines here, but I guess the issues are with the Esteem pricing not being reported accurately. Again, a one page website would solve this issue. Everyone would go there and get the exact pricing. Problem is if rett can't handle the volume and ends up turning away business but that's ok. Only making a limited number of grinders seems to be standard as seem by Beaumont, Wilmont.
 
It's not that pricing wasn't represented correctly. What I stated was true. His is priced higher, as compared to the Pheer. His point was that there are inferior equipment used on the Pheer that shouldn't be compared to his pricing, like the motor, etc.

It's not exactly apples to apples, but you will never get an exact comparison. Each set up is slightly different.

Since he's offered such good communication and education throughout this, I offered to edit my post as to not make it look like a negative post, in the event someone randomly came across my post.

Fact is, the Pheer is less expensive and cheaper. The Esteem is a better machine by far, and Brett seems like a stand up guy that provides way better communication than any other builder.

I just wanted to be fair to the members here.
 
Will the ESTEEM grinder accept all of the Beaumont accessories without doing "field" adaptations?

Steve
 
bodam said:
It's not that pricing wasn't represented correctly. What I stated was true. His is priced higher, as compared to the Pheer. His point was that there are inferior equipment used on the Pheer that shouldn't be compared to his pricing, like the motor, etc.

It's not exactly apples to apples, but you will never get an exact comparison. Each set up is slightly different.

Since he's offered such good communication and education throughout this, I offered to edit my post as to not make it look like a negative post, in the event someone randomly came across my post.

Fact is, the Pheer is less expensive and cheaper. The Esteem is a better machine by far, and Brett seems like a stand up guy that provides way better communication than any other builder.

I just wanted to be fair to the members here.
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I don't see how the Esteem can be a "better machine by far" but I do like their tool rest... (Although I do wonder how rigid it is in use.)

The Pheer uses an American made Leeson motor and the Esteem uses a Toolmex motor, the Leeson is a more expensive motor. Also, keep in mind that all of the Pheer machines come with KBAC controller whereas the Esteem is offered with a FAR inferior TECO drive. I'm sure the Esteem is an awesome machine, but your statement that the Pheer uses inferior equipment seems to be solely based on your opinion.

When stating something as fact, it would be wise to make sure your facts are correct.
 
Will the ESTEEM grinder accept all of the Beaumont accessories without doing "field" adaptations?

Steve
 
gratmars said:
I don't see how the Esteem can be a "better machine by far" but I do like their tool rest... (Although I do wonder how rigid it is in use.)

The Pheer uses an American made Leeson motor and the Esteem uses a Toolmex motor, the Leeson is a more expensive motor. Also, keep in mind that all of the Pheer machines come with KBAC controller whereas the Esteem is offered with a FAR inferior TECO drive. I'm sure the Esteem is an awesome machine, but your statement that the Pheer uses inferior equipment seems to be solely based on your opinion.

When stating something as fact, it would be wise to make sure your facts are correct.
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Pheer does not quote using a Leeson motor. Esteem did.

The Esteem was quoted with KBAC-27 VFD and a 1.5 HP motor, the Pheer was quoted with 1.0 HP

Unless you are Jose Navarro undercover, you have no idea what each vendor quoted me. Members asked, and I answered.

I refrained from giving details of each quote because of the strict rules here.
 
Hi Steve, The Esteem will and has been fitted with many of the KMG accessories.Most often the rotary platen. It does require milling slight amount off the side tooling arm so everting runs on center and true. I do this milling at no cost to the customer. If you would like more info shoot me a pm
sdemars said:
Will the ESTEEM grinder accept all of the Beaumont accessories without doing "field" adaptations?

Steve
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bodam said:
Pheer does not quote using a Leeson motor. Esteem did.

The Esteem was quoted with KBAC-27 VFD and a 1.5 HP motor, the Pheer was quoted with 1.0 HP

Unless you are Jose Navarro undercover, you have no idea what each vendor quoted me. Members asked, and I answered.

I refrained from giving details of each quote because of the strict rules here.
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I was unaware that you had called both but your comparisons are not fair. I personally own a Pheer and it came with a 2hp Leeson, the only place I saw information on the Esteem showed it as having a different motor and controller. On his entry level machine. Pheer grinders are offered in more than options than 1hp. If you're comparing price, than the options should be the same so you really know the value of each.
 
And Esteems are offered in more configurations than you've seen. This thread is about the info that I collect for MY build, not anyone else's. Both quoted me a setup that was very similar. And a member asked me the price difference, because at the time, Esteem was priced higher. And that was true. The Pheer I was quoted included a 1hp motor, that he would have upgraded to a Leeson for more money.

After going back and forth with Brett, he quoted a deal that was a better build than Pheer. At least in my eyes, and this is my thread so that's all that matters, lol.

Pheer makes a good grinder too, but to get his prices where I needed them, he had to cut corners on equipment. Brett worked with me in other ways to make my budget.
 
These quotes are the reason I said make sure your facts are true... I believe it's important for things to be shown for what they are, nothing more, nothing less.

"His point was that there are inferior equipment used on the Pheer that shouldn't be compared to his pricing, like the motor, etc.
Fact is, the Pheer is less expensive and cheaper. The Esteem is a better machine by far..."

Since you can get the same motor and controller on both, I have to ask. How is the Pheer inferior and the Esteem better? The difference must lie in the design and set up of the machine itself and not the item that powers it.
 
To get the same price on the Pheer, I would not have gotten the 2hp motor, or the Leeson upgrade. For the prices quoted, The Esteem setup was superior. For the price quoted, the Pheer would have been inferior to the Esteem. This is easy to understand.

I could have upgraded the Pheer to be comparable to the Esteem, but the price would have been higher. This thread is about my budget and the best grinder I could get to fit my budget.

This is not about the absolute best grinder that money can buy. I can build a badass Pheer, KMG or Esteem with all the bells and whistles, but I can't afford it. For the price that I was quoted, the Esteem was a better deal.

I'm not bashing Pheer, I was almost going to buy one, but after talking with Brett and looking at the differences In the specific quote I was given, the Esteem came out on top.
 
I signed up with the intentions of asking a question and not responding to one as my first post, but I'm going through the same grinder hunt as Bodam so I thought I would add my findings.

Can't add much to whats already been said in regards to grinder choice and to be quite honest I don't know anything about the esteem and pheer grinders so I will not speak to them. But you mentioned your budget was around 1600$ and that is why I decided to chime in.

I was going to build a grinder but without a mill and lathe and a good deal of machining knowledge I opted to maybe build my second grinder and purchase the first. We all know the KMG is the most well know grinder out there so naturally that is where I started. After reading on here and doing some google-ing its just not economically sound for me to build one right now (my calculations put me at about the same $ figure for what i wanted to do).

So in the end this is where I'm at. I'm buying the bare bones KMG with wheel and platen and installing my motor and VFD for right at 1600$. And this is for a 3HP Baldor bomb proof motor and the 3HP KBAC 29. I have the VFD and Motor now and I have talked to Rob about the KMG bare bones model and all will play nice together and give me plenty of knife grinding power!

The main point I wanted to convey was to not overlook buying your own motor and VFD to save money. This setup from Rob would cost me close to a grand more than what I'm paying so the savings are substantial and my grinder will have more power than those owned by my friends. Food for thought!

I don't know the rules here and saw they moderate pretty heavily so if you want more details feel free to send me a PM.

-Augus7us
 
Your original statement did not lead me to believe that you compared price directly. "His is priced higher, as compared to the Pheer".
If you get less for your dollar with the Pheer than I understand, but that is not what you originally explained.
Either way you're going to get an amazing machine. Order that thing up and start grinding.

bodam said:
To get the same price on the Pheer, I would not have gotten the 2hp motor, or the Leeson upgrade. For the prices quoted, The Esteem setup was superior. For the price quoted, the Pheer would have been inferior to the Esteem. This is easy to understand.

I could have upgraded the Pheer to be comparable to the Esteem, but the price would have been higher. This thread is about my budget and the best grinder I could get to fit my budget.

This is not about the absolute best grinder that money can buy. I can build a badass Pheer, KMG or Esteem with all the bells and whistles, but I can't afford it. For the price that I was quoted, the Esteem was a better deal.

I'm not bashing Pheer, I was almost going to buy one, but after talking with Brett and looking at the differences In the specific quote I was given, the Esteem came out on top.
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I fail to see where this thread is going. I think the situation is clearly stated, and the decision made.

gratmars - If he likes the Esteem, let him buy it.

Bret - Feel free to post a new thread showing the features and particulars of the Esteem. Compare any feature of it to other grinders if you wish. Just leave pricing and order taking for your website or The Exchange.

For the folks following this thread wanting to see other threads about the Esteem:
http://www.google.com/cse?cx=011197...j14#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=esteem grinder&gsc.page=1
Change the search to any other brand for additional threads.

bodam - If this thread has run its useful course, you can close it or request me to do it.
 
It really doesn't matter to me what he buys and I wasn't attempting to cause trouble. I just want people who may stumble upon this thread to have all of the information.

I will now bow out...
 
Augus7us said:
I signed up with the intentions of asking a question and not responding to one as my first post, but I'm going through the same grinder hunt as Bodam so I thought I would add my findings.

Can't add much to whats already been said in regards to grinder choice and to be quite honest I don't know anything about the esteem and pheer grinders so I will not speak to them. But you mentioned your budget was around 1600$ and that is why I decided to chime in.

I was going to build a grinder but without a mill and lathe and a good deal of machining knowledge I opted to maybe build my second grinder and purchase the first. We all know the KMG is the most well know grinder out there so naturally that is where I started. After reading on here and doing some google-ing its just not economically sound for me to build one right now (my calculations put me at about the same $ figure for what i wanted to do).

So in the end this is where I'm at. I'm buying the bare bones KMG with wheel and platen and installing my motor and VFD for right at 1600$. And this is for a 3HP Baldor bomb proof motor and the 3HP KBAC 29. I have the VFD and Motor now and I have talked to Rob about the KMG bare bones model and all will play nice together and give me plenty of knife grinding power!

The main point I wanted to convey was to not overlook buying your own motor and VFD to save money. This setup from Rob would cost me close to a grand more than what I'm paying so the savings are substantial and my grinder will have more power than those owned by my friends. Food for thought!

I don't know the rules here and saw they moderate pretty heavily so if you want more details feel free to send me a PM.

-Augus7us
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I don't want to quote pricing, since I'm not sure if the builders want each quote to be public, but you can get a Pheer or Esteem with motor and VFD for less than $1,600. I thought about the possibility of buying a KMG and adding my own motor and control, but in the end, I don't know enough about it to do it correctly and cost effectively. I don't even want to wire my own controller, lol.
 
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