Cliff Stamp
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Joe Talmadge :
Yes.
Nor would I. But hard use to me is not extended use. It is more low volume high stress work. If the force you are using is rather low then grip security becomes less of an issue as well of course so does the lock's strength and security.
That would be a problem then as if it neither secure nor ergonomic then it is not of much use for any type of work.
Mike :
Jerry is making a folder, based on what I know of him as a knifemaker (his commitment to quality etc.), the abiities of his knives which I have seen from direct use and the discussions I have had with him about the folder to make sure I understood the intended goal - I am confident in the abilities it will have. I would have (and in fact did) make similar statements about the Basic before using them and before they were even out. Could I be wrong, of course. It is obviously possible that the Busse Combat folder will be both weak and insecure, I just don't think it is a very likely one.
John, concerning the stabs, unless the stab is directly inline with the center line of the thrust the lock will take a very sudden hard thrust trying to fail it. This force can be in any possible direction, one of which is straight down across the back of the blade. How much force obviously depends on how hard you can stab something.
I said that it is possible during cutting for a force to act against the blade so as to close it and described several ways that this could happen. The question of is this enough force to fail a lock depends on if you are strong enough to do it. This is very easy to test. I would simply do full force one handed thrusts on the handle with the blade viced. If it held I would be confident that I am not strong enough to break the lock.
-Cliff
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Joe Talmadge :
I'm not sure what you mean by stable grip -- do you mean a secure grip?
Yes.
a highly-secure handle that is not comfortable for hard use means blisters and pain that I'd rather not have in my hands.
Nor would I. But hard use to me is not extended use. It is more low volume high stress work. If the force you are using is rather low then grip security becomes less of an issue as well of course so does the lock's strength and security.
Although in the case of the Strider, for me, the grip wasn't even that secure.
That would be a problem then as if it neither secure nor ergonomic then it is not of much use for any type of work.
Mike :
Cliff's claim above about the Busse folder is preposterous.
Jerry is making a folder, based on what I know of him as a knifemaker (his commitment to quality etc.), the abiities of his knives which I have seen from direct use and the discussions I have had with him about the folder to make sure I understood the intended goal - I am confident in the abilities it will have. I would have (and in fact did) make similar statements about the Basic before using them and before they were even out. Could I be wrong, of course. It is obviously possible that the Busse Combat folder will be both weak and insecure, I just don't think it is a very likely one.
John, concerning the stabs, unless the stab is directly inline with the center line of the thrust the lock will take a very sudden hard thrust trying to fail it. This force can be in any possible direction, one of which is straight down across the back of the blade. How much force obviously depends on how hard you can stab something.
You also talked about whittling and how that can cause bent liners or bent axis/rolling locks.
I said that it is possible during cutting for a force to act against the blade so as to close it and described several ways that this could happen. The question of is this enough force to fail a lock depends on if you are strong enough to do it. This is very easy to test. I would simply do full force one handed thrusts on the handle with the blade viced. If it held I would be confident that I am not strong enough to break the lock.
-Cliff