grizzly kills hunter in montana

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The same thing has happened in N.M. with Black Bears.It's even happened to Deer hunters too.Rule#1,never track a wounded animal that can kill you into thick cover.
 
Behavioral evolution. When predators lose their fear of humans and see them as food(not the case in the above death but part of the discussion).

Like it or not, we of European descent came to this country and TOOK land from the inhabitants- indigenous peoples AND animals. Many of us now try to find harmony with nature and that is good but unless you live in a cracker box apt in a tall building in a narrowly defined city and live totally "green"- You home and yard are encroaching on the natural balance. If you go camping and hiking in wild areas, you are encroaching.
I value "low impact" time in the wild but I make no mistake that I am still encroaching on the animals living there. I have great respect for natural predators and will give them a wide berth whenever possible but make no mistake about it, I will protect myself and my family to the FULL extent of my ability.
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338375 said:
Got home yesterday from a 6 day archery hunt. It was the best year I've ever had hunting, even though we didn't get anything. We were surrounded by elk every day. Some as close as 20 yards. Unfortunately they never presented a good shot. It was priceless though, because the rut is just starting here, and the bulls were just geting started bugling. Only saw one branch bull (6 point), a couple smaller rag horns, a few spikes and the rest were cows. In 6 days, we saw close to 50 elk. Good luck on your hunt
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thanks. as i mentioned above, i didn't see anything. will keep trying and trying...i really don't think that they've quite 'turned on' here yet.
oh well, its just nice getting out and camping. if i don't have any luck during archery season, theres always gun season!
oh yeah, since i forgot to get my bear tag last time i was in town, i'm going into town for the night (some friends and my wife are throwing me a little b-day party (40) and will get it tomarrow;)
 
Just to throw a little fuel on the evolution fire:

Man spent his millions of years shaking off his monkey ancestors-- we developed opposable thumbs so that we could operate 4WD stickshifts, automatic weapons, internet porno. We culminated all this natural human evolutionary development with John Browning.

Wild animals had just as much time as we did. What did those frivolous game animals squander precious evolutionary time developing? Worthless things like fur, fangs, claws, flight and night vision.

Survival of the fittest is an absurd notion. There are more fragile, sickly people now than ever. Evolution hasn't worked, I want my tree back.
 
They were hunting black bears and mistook the young griz for a black bear; I would assume brown phase black bear. It is sad that this whole thing happened. You really have to respect a bear's place in the environment. It is one of the few predators in North America that actually kills humans with some regularity. So, the dead hunter was defending his hunting buddy. But the hunting buddy did mis-identify the bear and wound it. I suspect this hunter will get fined for shooting a grizzly in the Lower 48 where defense was not the original issue.
 
DrivebyTrucker said:
They could pull themselves up by the bootstraps and get jobs at a circus peddling bikes. I used to work at a circus and trained bears to ride bikes. People always asked me how I got them to peddle. It's easy. You just nail their feet to the peddles and beat the crap out of them with a whip.
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Deck screws would last longer


PropThePolecat said:
Thats a ridicilous statement. Animals all over the world are going extinct, because of humans overhunting them and encroaching on their habitat. It has nothing to do with "evolution at work".
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Right on! Humans RULE!!!! :D


Esav Benyamin said:
Bears kill very few humans. That's why it's such a big story when it happens. If you want a safe world, get rid of the species that kill the most humans: bacteria, viruses, Homo sapiens ...
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You forgot zombies. Bwah hah hah...

Seriously, I'm sorry this happened. Bears are nothing to take for granted, if you are in their turf, you gotta be ready, no doubt. I hope they do track down and kill the bear, for multiple reasons.
 
PropThePolecat said:
Sorry, but i disagree.

Evolution is a genetic change of an inherited trait, which is passed down to the next generation.

The different species have found a natural balance many thousands years ago. Encroaching on habitats happens when new species are introduced by man, where they wreck havoc on the local flora and fauna. For example Hawaii, Australia, New Zealand, Guam, etc, are all suffering major problems with everything from snakes to pigs, which was introduced (willingly or not) by man.

Besides, the explosion of the human population on this planet have left little room for the rest. We're better than the other species because we've got guns, bulldozers, fishing trawlers and so forth. Its got nothing to do with natural evolution, and its not the same game thats been played for thousands of years. Mans "evolution" has been undertaken in a split-second of this planets history.
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Evolution is a change over time when certain genetic traits are naturally selected because they give an advantage in a certain environment. Mutation is a genetic change of an inherited trait which is passed down to the next generation. When a bird comes onto the scene that figures out how to use a long thorn to fish grubs out of holes in a tree and has a better survival and reproduction rate than birds that don't do this, that's evolution. Whether it's a bird with a thorn, an ape poking a stick into a termite mound or humans with fishing nets and scoped rifles it's all the same thing. Nothing has changed but the complexity of the tools and the number of a particular species that's using them. The impact that humans have on the environment is significant but still nothing compared to the countless mass extinction events over the earth's history. The only difference is that some of us have developed to the point where we can worry about it. It doesn't change the fact that we're going to continue to do it or the fact that other species have to deal with the impact of us and adapt or go extinct
 
Sad story all the way around.

I wouldn't ridicule these young men. People make mistakes. A man is dead. A friend will live with this for life. It seems armchair QB's never make mistakes.

What does any of this have to do with Wilderness & Survival Skills?
 
LMT66 said:
Sad story all the way around.

I wouldn't ridicule these young men. People make mistakes. A man is dead. A friend will live with this for life. It seems armchair QB's never make mistakes.

What does any of this have to do with Wilderness & Survival Skills?
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read post #12... it was/is a simple reminder for folks to be aware, thats all...but it turned out to be what it is; folks that should have stayed home...
i am not an "armchair QB". i live here and will be back out on sunday looking for elk in grizz country for a few days and i quarantee you i will not shoot my friend, because i'll be solo w/a homemade trad bow...and if i weren't, i still wouldn't.
IMO, it has everything to do with wilderness and survival skills unless you practice them in a city park..;)
 
bearhunter said:
read post #12... it was/is a simple reminder for folks to be aware, thats all...but it turned out to be what it is; folks that should have stayed home...
i am not an "armchair QB". i live here and will be back out on sunday looking for elk in grizz country for a few days and i quarantee you i will not shoot my friend, because i'll be solo w/a homemade trad bow...and if i weren't, i still wouldn't.
IMO, it has everything to do with wilderness and survival skills unless you practice them in a city park..;)
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Well, reread your post 12 and think before you post another #52.

According to the most recent link, they are unsure if the shot hit the deceased directly or if it was deflected from the bear before or after entry. (into bear, hit a bone, exit bear into human)The survivor may have made a remarkable shot that hit a bone and unfortunately exited the bear.

Regardless, it is a sad story.

Any way you look at it, this post is useless as have all bear posts in the years of W&SS.

Good luck on your hunt.
 
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Watch your six.

*Watching on my Droid in the local city park* ;)
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depends on the caliber of said rifle. any rifle used in the wilderness of MT or ID, bone should not be an issue.
it is simply a foolish story that unfolded, that should not have happened in the first place, if folks were educated enough to know the difference between a black and grizz.
they were from NV and wanted to come to MT and 'kill a bear'. they should have just stayed home... their are black bears in NV...
it happens all to often in many different ways. so eventually, we stop felling sorry for folks!
 
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I'll turn a useless thread into one that can offer some useful tips.

Bear Canister or food sac that is airtight.
Don't use scented soaps, dryer sheets, laundry detergent a week before you go.
Brush teeth with baking soda and water when out.
Don't cook upwind of camp, in your tent, next to your tent.
Don't carry scented items or food in your pack.
Wear a Bear Bell (funny jokes aside) in Grizzly country.
Understand where you need to shoot a problem bear to increaese the chances of dropping it before it gets you while injured. (it's going to be pissed)
Update your Will.
Grizzly attack= tight fetal position, face down, hands around back of neck, elbows covering face and play dead. Try to keep this position even if he continues to maul you or starts eating you.
Black Bear attack= Shout, scream, wave arms over head, don't run only walk slowly back. If attacked fight back with everything you have.

Bear don't see well but they will follow your scent to your exact location.

The guy in the above video did all the right things as that looked to be a brown phase black bear. He made it to camp and the bear was then dispatched.

Be bear aware before you go.
 
bearhunter said:
depends on the caliber of said rifle. any rifle used in the wilderness of MT or ID, bone should not be an issue.
it is simply a foolish story that unfolded, that should not have happened in the first place, if folks were educated enough to know the difference between a black and grizz.
they were from NV and wanted to come to MT and 'kill a bear'. they should have just stayed home... their are black bears in NV...
it happens all to often in many different ways. so eventually, we stop felling sorry for folks!
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It's entirely possible they were inexperienced hunters and made a mistake. I'm sure it's not the first time a grizz was shot thinking it was a blackie, hence the test required.
It would seem that they may have been equipped with a slightly less powerful cartridge for black bear. It's possible his shot hit the bears skull or a bone close to the outer skin and deflected right off it into the young man. People get shot here in the big city all the time. Some are head shot but the bullet never cracks the skull but rather just travel under the skin then off into a building or car.

To call them both dummies is harsh. Try and imagine being in their position. Skip past the ID mistake and know that your hunting partner is a best friend, son or father and imagine how your actions might not be all that different than what went on. We are all capable of mistakes, even those who have more experience hunting can make that mistake.

Off all the people that I know that hunt, all travel to other states to do it. Maybe they should just stay home like you say? Will you be crossing state lines between in the backcountry?

Any way you look at it, a lot of folks are grieving over it and we are arguing evolution and IQ levels of those two men. That's not right and it doesn't fit W&SS either.

RIP to that man and comfort to those familes.
 
wow! i never knew folks from the midwest were such experts on bears. insert sarcasim...
i really don't worry about it either way. i just hunt,camp,hike,etc...
we live in bear,lion, blah.blah,blah, country. my wife runs everyday in the "wilderness" all by her little self. the matter of fact of it all is that we/she would have a better chance of dying from a lighting strike than from a 'wild animal attack'.
we just dont worry about it...
if i 'git eatin'' then i guess i'll be dead...
thanks for enlightening us all in this "useless" thread.
btw; thanks for the 'luck' on my hunt. i'll be sure to follow your advice in camp:) again; insert sarcasim...i'll actually cook and camp right where i lay my sleeping bag and not worry about it one bit while i stare at the stars...
 
It seems the thread has evolved into an opportunity for sarcasm and self-appointed superiority. We don't need this. Without courtesy, we become the animals, eat or be eaten, communication as intimidation.

This thread is closed.
 
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