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Pretty good idea! :thumbup:
I would try it, but since I climb on a lot of cranes, I don't want the knife to come out that easily.
I would try it, but since I climb on a lot of cranes, I don't want the knife to come out that easily.
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The knife still stays clipped tight. Your job sounds scary, stay safe, and watch out for my Lions...we are coming for you Sunday.
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while we're on grooves.... anyone using one for daily tasks... would love to hear about whether the grooves impede any performance or enhance
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I've put down the gaggle of Cyclones, ENER-G's, Scallions, and Mojito and have been carrying mine for a week or so now, and I haven't run up on anything knife-wise that the Groove blade couldn't handle with ease...cardboard, blister packaging, etc. No touch ups required yet...
The hard part about carrying it is keeping it in my hand. Every time I pull it out, someone always goes "WOW! What is THAT?" and has to play with it for a while.
The hard part about carrying it is keeping it in my hand. Every time I pull it out, someone always goes "WOW! What is THAT?" and has to play with it for a while.
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if you get the rainbox version, I'm sure that people will notice that even less 
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I EDC a Groove. The grooves DO NOT have an effect on cutting. Yet...you see...13C26 doesn't hold an edge well (derr!) and that means frequent touch ups. (I don't wait till the bevel is gone like some would(. Anyway, now it looks like the bevel is eating into the grooves, so I'm wondering if eventually th edge will have "waves" in it, or if the grooves will get worn down as I move up the blade.
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i'd love to know also
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I don't mean to take this out of thread but sure 13C26 isn't a premium steel
like S30V, SG2 or ZDP189 but for a standard steel IMHO it takes and holds a
pretty decent edge.
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from my experience, I would ditto that... I'm just wondering about the grooves question
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That is a pretty good question, but I don't have a Groove. If you'll
send me your's, I'll gladly let you know in about 6-8 months.
Hi. First post, been lurking here for a while, learning about knives, buying more knives than my wife can comprehend (not that many, really).
The Groove is at the top of my list for my next purchase. Love everything about the knife except for the "grooves". I just think they are a little gimicky, and I was a little concerned about the effect of the grooves on the knife's performance. However the posts here seem to indicate that it's not an issue. This makes sense - many santuko kitchen knives have "grooves" that decrease friction and actually improve performance.
I have no concerns about sharpening, however. The edge of the knife will take on the shape of the sharpening medium, not the previous shape of the grind of the knife. If you are using flat stones, you'll get a flat edge. This is why recurves are so difficult to sharpen - you are trying to get a concave (or do I mean convex?) edge from a flat sharpening surface. You need a rounded stone to get the right shape. So, the grooves should get ground down to a flat edge. I may be wrong, but this is what makes sense to me.
I'll try to post on the knife's performance once I get one - probably won't get to touch it until Christmas, though.
The Groove is at the top of my list for my next purchase. Love everything about the knife except for the "grooves". I just think they are a little gimicky, and I was a little concerned about the effect of the grooves on the knife's performance. However the posts here seem to indicate that it's not an issue. This makes sense - many santuko kitchen knives have "grooves" that decrease friction and actually improve performance.
I have no concerns about sharpening, however. The edge of the knife will take on the shape of the sharpening medium, not the previous shape of the grind of the knife. If you are using flat stones, you'll get a flat edge. This is why recurves are so difficult to sharpen - you are trying to get a concave (or do I mean convex?) edge from a flat sharpening surface. You need a rounded stone to get the right shape. So, the grooves should get ground down to a flat edge. I may be wrong, but this is what makes sense to me.
I'll try to post on the knife's performance once I get one - probably won't get to touch it until Christmas, though.
Hi guys: Sorry not to have responded to this thread earlier-I have been at the New York Custom Knife Show since Thursday.
I get a lot of questions from people who are concerned about what will happen to the grooves of the knife as it is resharpened. The answer is "ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!".
You can sharpen the blade until there is pretty much nothing left of it, and the only thing that you will see is that the edge bevel will become a bit wider. This is because the edge will become thicker as more and more of the blade is removed from repeated sharpenings. This is the same thing that would happen to any flat ground blade. It will still get sharp, and it will still cut like crazy.
The grooves will always disappear as they meet the edge, just the way they do when the knife is new. So, no need to worry! Sharpen away and enjoy the unique look of the blade!
As to cutting performance, the same general principles apply to the striated or grooved blade as to any regular knife-the cutting performance is directly related to edge sharpness and edge thickness. The standard groove, being flat "ground" will have a slightly thicker (and more robust!) edge than a hollow ground knife.
In cutting soft materials that don't bind when cut, you won't see any difference between a grooved blade and a blade without grooves.
In cutting harder materials like rubber hose, plastic tubing, etc., the grooves actually improve cutting performance because they cut the friction by about 80%. This is because the material being cut is only rubbing on the tops of the ridges!
When I received my first batch of Grooves from Kershaw, I immediately passed them out to my friends with the instructions "Beat the he** out of them". One went to an Electrician, one to a telephone company lineman, one to a powerplant maintenance supervisor, and one to an FBI agent. All of them have been impressed with the edge holding of the steel and the durability of the edge.
One report involved opening cardboard boxes for 2 weeks, at which time the knife was handed to an employee who had a farm. He opened 59 burlap seed bags, shaved wood, and performed other farm related chores. This guy also built houses for hurricane victims. He cut sheetrock for an entire weekend, which was a good verification that the grooves don't impede cutting performance. After all this, my friend restored the knife to shaving sharpness in less than 3 minutes (measured time!) using a ceramic rod sharpener. I'd say that ranks as exceptional performance from a factory knife!
Please keep those questions coming-I'll be here to answer them for you!
BTW, the new, striated Tanto Groove from Kershaw will feature a hollow "ground" blade. This knife promises to really push cutting performance to new levels!
Stay Sharp,
RJ Martin
Groove Designer
I get a lot of questions from people who are concerned about what will happen to the grooves of the knife as it is resharpened. The answer is "ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!".
You can sharpen the blade until there is pretty much nothing left of it, and the only thing that you will see is that the edge bevel will become a bit wider. This is because the edge will become thicker as more and more of the blade is removed from repeated sharpenings. This is the same thing that would happen to any flat ground blade. It will still get sharp, and it will still cut like crazy.
The grooves will always disappear as they meet the edge, just the way they do when the knife is new. So, no need to worry! Sharpen away and enjoy the unique look of the blade!
As to cutting performance, the same general principles apply to the striated or grooved blade as to any regular knife-the cutting performance is directly related to edge sharpness and edge thickness. The standard groove, being flat "ground" will have a slightly thicker (and more robust!) edge than a hollow ground knife.
In cutting soft materials that don't bind when cut, you won't see any difference between a grooved blade and a blade without grooves.
In cutting harder materials like rubber hose, plastic tubing, etc., the grooves actually improve cutting performance because they cut the friction by about 80%. This is because the material being cut is only rubbing on the tops of the ridges!
When I received my first batch of Grooves from Kershaw, I immediately passed them out to my friends with the instructions "Beat the he** out of them". One went to an Electrician, one to a telephone company lineman, one to a powerplant maintenance supervisor, and one to an FBI agent. All of them have been impressed with the edge holding of the steel and the durability of the edge.
One report involved opening cardboard boxes for 2 weeks, at which time the knife was handed to an employee who had a farm. He opened 59 burlap seed bags, shaved wood, and performed other farm related chores. This guy also built houses for hurricane victims. He cut sheetrock for an entire weekend, which was a good verification that the grooves don't impede cutting performance. After all this, my friend restored the knife to shaving sharpness in less than 3 minutes (measured time!) using a ceramic rod sharpener. I'd say that ranks as exceptional performance from a factory knife!
Please keep those questions coming-I'll be here to answer them for you!
BTW, the new, striated Tanto Groove from Kershaw will feature a hollow "ground" blade. This knife promises to really push cutting performance to new levels!
Stay Sharp,
RJ Martin
Groove Designer
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perfect post.... love it!!!!
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That is a pretty good question, but I don't have a Groove. If you'll
send me your's, I'll gladly let you know in about 6-8 months.
No doubt, it gets shaving sharp very easily. it just doesn't stay that way as long as AUS-8, ect. IME. Btw, I use natural stones, which might have something to do with it. I LOVE the knife. Unfortunately, its a bit long (legal issues) for my area, so I have to pick a new EDC.
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MN, I notice you keep wanting to drive your 13C26 edge holding point home here and in other threads. Sorry the steel is not holding an edge as long as you would like, but the majority on this forum that use it daily differs from your take.
I'll put it up against any fine blanked steel and never look back.
In any case thanks for your comments.
I'll put it up against any fine blanked steel and never look back.
In any case thanks for your comments.
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No doubt, it gets shaving sharp very easily. it just doesn't stay that way as long as AUS-8, ect. IME. Btw, I use natural stones, which might have something to do with it. I LOVE the knife. Unfortunately, its a bit long (legal issues) for my area, so I have to pick a new EDC.
Aus8 is good... and I guess we all have our favorites. It just depends on the kind of cutting and edge you want. 13c26 is about as stellar as you'll find for the money.,