Group survival kit.. Suggestions needed.

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HK2001

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I've posted before about my USP.. and I greatly appreciate all the help I've recieved, and the insight I've gained from the vast amounts of knowledge here. Now I ask for assistance with another "kit".

A few close friends recently put a few things together, and came to the conclusion that I was prepared for the worst. In paticular, the hurricane season that started yesterday. We've all heard the stories of power being out for nearly a month straight last year... and all the horrors that go with it. The storm that hit here was Frances.. but read this account of charley to get a basic idea of what happened.

Anyway, since I'm the only one with a clue, or any real knowledge in survival, they've asked to join me, should SHTF. Of course I said yes.. and now we need to refine my hurricane kit to meet all of our needs. My apartment building is the most shielded in the complex from the winds of such a storm, so we'll hole up here should the need arise. THis kit is for primarily staying in 1 spot, in my apartment.. weight should not be an issue.

The kit, as I've designed it, is as follows. (anything with ** is already in my possession)

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Firestarting
Trioxane Fuel Bar x 15 **
Magnesium / flint block **
Various tinders **
2 Bic Lighters **
Strike anywhere matches (200) **

Food and Water
Cooking supplies (pots, pans, stainless plates, cups etc) **
100 Potable Water tablets**
Bleach**
Fishing Kit**
Fishing Line**
2 Pieces of Snare wire, 60lb test, 20yards each**
US Survival Net 6x30' use in traps. **
10 bandanas, Water filtration**
2x Two liter Hydration bladder**
30 gallons of bottled water**
10 lbs Each: Black beans, pinto beans, white rice, flour**
Canned meats, veggies, and fruits. **

Shelter
1 camo 8x12 tarp**
2 green light duty 12x16 tarp. **
3 Man tent**
Blankets, Pillows**

First Aid
Sawyer Extractor**
First Aid Kit**
Peroxide**
Betadine**
1000 count bottle Aspirin**
100 count bottle, Iburofen**
Witch hazel**
Calamine Lotion**
Sunscreen**
(4) 8ox spray bottles of 100% DEET**
Lighting, Electronics, Batteries

10x Rechargeable AA batteries.**
1 Solar Charger for AA and D cells >>ON ORDER<<
6x Rechargeable D cell batteries**
Streamlight Twintask LED/Xenon Flashlight 2D model**
Hand Crank Radio with AM/FM/Weather band**
30 disposable Glowsticks**
2 Minimag Flashlights**
Inova X1 LED flashlight**
3D Mag Lite with LED conversion**


Misc
Sharpener**
Wyoming Saw**
100Ft BLACK ParaCord**
100Ft GREEN OD ParaCord **
Kabar Next Gen**
Becker BK-7**
Leatherman Wave**
Leather Work Gloves**
Bushmaster AR-15 + Ammo **
S&W XD 9mm + ammo **
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What else am I missing? Obviously, everyone will have thier own clothes, boots, socks.. I know I'll need more water. 1 gallon / person per day in hundred degree weather? This is for 6 to 10 people, depending on who wusses out, and flies home before a storm. They've given me a total of $400 to buy what I need to make this kit work for 10 people. I'd like to have it set up so we can survive comfortably off of it for 14 days, without power, access to clean water, or the ability to buy food. I know, some people are thinking this kit is a little over the top.. because FEMA will arrive within days, and start handing out stuff.. those donations are better off in the hands of the woman with 2 kids, or a family.. people who need it.. because they lacked a little bit off common sense and didn't prepare.

Any suggestions would be most welcome.

Edit: Anyone have suggestions on controling heat in such an event? My Girl, and one of the others are highly susceptible to Heat Exhaustion and Heatstroke.
 
2 Bic Lighters **
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Every one should carry these themselves, one in their pack, one in their pocket.

Strike anywhere matches (200) **
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You probably won't need these with the other two fire sources and it would be fun for every one to practice with your mag/flint blocks to start fires...

Where will you be and how long do you plan to be out?

How much survival will you be wanting to practice or are you just going out on a camping trip?

Sawyer Extractor**
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I am unfamilar with this item

Russ... :)
 
HK2001,

REFUGEE STATUS: Don’t approach this as a wilderness survival emergency. This is a broken infrastructure scenario. This type of situation has more the appearance of camping in the backyard than lost in the wilds. I would plan to cook over a gas grill rather than an open fire. Keep an extra gas bottle on hand.

Don’t plan on the original group being the only people who show up. They will all invite a friend at the last minute. This is just a fact and no previous attempts to limit the participation of other people will work in a true emergency. Plan to aid other people who gravitate to you once they see you are set up to handle life after the emergency.

Don’t have a bunker mentality. A few bottles of water and a simple hot meal of rice and beans will engender the favor of those around you outside the group. Plan on it as part of your overall strategy.

Have you group members all plan to arrive with a backpack filled with their own personal supplies, especially if they attempt to bring a friend. Make sure they have a list of the items they are expected to bring.

FOOD: I would add 10 lbs of oatmeal and a large bag of sugar. That way you can boil water and feed someone a hot meal for a few cents. Plan to eat the contents of your fridge first, and then start on the freezer. I’m not advocating that you set up a soup kitchen but you should coordinate this effort with your neighbors.

WATER: Your water filter system is inadequate. You don’t prepare in advance to construct an improvised filter if you can just plan to have a real one on hand. In order to treat water for a large group you need to be able to do it as a passive process not an active one. Active processes employ direct human action to make them work, such as filter pumps and boiling. Passive systems work by themselves once they are set up.

Here in Brazil we have to treat our drinking water on a daily basis. We have a Filter/Ozone unit on the wall hooked up to the house water supply. This requires electricity to work. Our back up is a ceramic drip filter. It has two ceramic/charcoal filter elements and merely needs to have the upper chamber filled. The water drips through to the lower chamber.

To save money just buy the filter elements (4-6) and install them in a new, small plastic garbage can with a lid. Set the can over a barrel-type cooler with a drink nozzle at the bottom. Keep the upper chamber filled with raw water and the cooler will always have fresh water.

The filter should be run constantly and the filtered water drained into clean containers, plastic soda bottles etc. Have your group start saving them now so you have a good supply on hand. Water is something you can afford to give away and make friends with.

You can’t cook with water treated with iodine. It will turn any starches bright blue. Use bleach to treat bulk water.

HEAT STROKE: The best offense is a good defense. The person needs to stay well hydrated and out of the sun. In dealing with Americans visiting Brazil I’ve noticed a tendency for people who don’t trust the water to allow themselves to get very dehydrated. They need to have high quality, clear drinking water with no chemical taste or they will only drink small amounts and only when told to drink. Add two bottles of “Thermotabs” electrolyte tablets.

SHELTER: Your list doesn’t include anything to deal with a shattered dwelling or fallen tree that sliced through the house. I would have a chainsaw and reserve oil/gasoline as well as a few pry bars, a sledgehammer, axe, etc. I would also up your plastic sheeting.

A six-person tent would be a better shelter. Weight isn’t an issue here but space would be if 6 – 10 people had to stay in the shelter you could rig up with what you have now.

LIGHTING: Don’t overlook the obvious, candles of various sizes. A Coleman gas lantern or two would help.

DEFENSE: An AR-15 and handgun are a good start but I wouldn’t want to be the only one armed in case of looting. I would include at least a 12-gauge pump with 18 – 20 inch barrel if someone else in the group were so inclined. One defender is easier to isolate than two who have some space between them.

Mac
 
I'd go a LOT bigger on the first aid kit.

It won't only be you or your little group that will need assistance in the early hours of your disaster scenario, and those that see you are well set up will not request aid, they will demand it, with force if necessary.

If you are prepared to fend off these people with deadly force, so be it, but remember that a primal instinct in all species, including humans, is to protect and look after the family.

Pict, again, has offered some very wise advice. I am very impressed with your knowledge, sir.
 
I also agree with Pict's comments. First thing I'd do is return their money and then give them a list of items they need to buy for themselves so they all have a personal kit available. Then discuss Pict's comments regarding a large community water system and shelter in case your apartment doesn't remain intact.

Talk through how this is going to work in an apartment environment. If you set this up you might consider that any/every apartment resident in your complex might see your group as a resource even though they didn't chip in on the group's supplies and equipment.

Have you and your friends considered pooling monetary resources and leasing a house? Only if they're close trustworthy friends, but what you're planning would probably work better if you had more control over your environment. With the right (large) house and neighborhood, you might end up with more room and security. Also, if your neighbors are owners they will be much better in the days following because they're protecting their home and investment, rather than an investment company's building. Just a thought, I don't know your situation.

Good luck with the coming hurricane season.
 
I agree with pict and Ras.

Everyone that isn't smart enough to put aside their own stores will be holding out a hand to you. Word spreads fast. Your friends have already told at least one person each what they are doing and where. Those people will in turn spread the word and as this type of thing usually goes, by the time SHTF, you are part of the governments efforts and half the city is on your doorstep. Keep it simple, small and very private.

Give back their money, hand them a list of minimal needs and let them take charge of their own destiny. Tell them why you are doing it too. Don't pull any punches at all. If they are really your friends, they will understand. You can't possibly feed everyone that is going to show up. No way, no how. If your friends decide they can't do it, then help them. But don't combine your gear or stores. Let them know they are still welcome to meet you at your place, but if it isn't livable, you will need another location, even if it's next to the pool. :rolleyes:

Put together a personal away kit that is located in a well secured storage area, etc., that is close enough to get to without hassles. Make everything in your kit water tight. Put in fresh water and food enough for a month. Candles, lanterns, fuel, batteries, blankets, medical and anything else you can think of that you will need to sustain you in a long term emergency. KEEP IT PRIVATE! Keep it simple and keep it safe.
 
This is some stuff that I would add!

1. Some good LED Headlamps, so you can work with your hands in the Dark.
2. Everyone should carry a good Multi tool plus the group could put together a good tool kit for home and auto repair.
3. Some toilets made out of buckets, you can buy them at Brigades on line plus trash bags and digging tools to get rid of the stuff.
4. Duct tape, 550 cord and plastic sheeting along with nails and screws.
5. A Big Dog to Guard the group, plus food and supplys for the Dog.
6. Motorola Radios plus extra Batterys for them so you can talk and a hand cranked survival radio to listen to the news.
7. Water! Water! and more Water! I know you got it coverd but the more the Better.

Rickj
 
Lots of good advice above.

Consider the problem of human waste and garbage disposal. The gravity sewer system may still be there, but water is need to flush (obviously, it need not be potable [can you have too many buckets?]). There are solutions that involve plastic bags, but animals may be a problem there.

Often, at least in NE Ohio, the most up-to-date post-smash information is on TV. Many radio stations are automated, especially at night, and, thus, slow to gave relevant info. Get a radio with TV band. Test your radio to see if it has good reception (many, including some crank-ups, do not).

Cheap "blue" tarps keep out the rain when nature pokes holes in the roof. If it's good enough for storm "restoration" companies and roofers, it should work for just folks as well. They also give shade.

Lots of cordage to rig tarps and hold shelter together.

Hammers and nails.

Saws -- to gather material for shelter and clear away debris (safer, quieter than axes and use less energy)

Plywood to close windows and doors to keep "stuff" out -- pre and post storm.

If everyone has a whistle, you have a built-in alarm system if things get ugly.

Speaking of ugly, in the worst case, where there is violent looting, those who appear too much trouble to mess with tend not to be messed with. I have personally witnessed this in two different cities. On the other paw, those who look like victims . . . .

Second the suggestion on chlorine. Amongst man-made solutions, drip chlorinators have prevented more disease than anything but soap and water (and the reasons we use them).

"Be prepared."

John Wiseman, SAS (and, of course, that other group ;) ).
 
Oh!

Cash and trade goods.

The ATM's won't work, checks are out, and credits cards are just good fire-starters.
 
Being without water is far worse to deal with than being without electricity. We were once without water for a month here. I lived on a top floor apartment with a rooftop patio (4 stories don't get the wroing idea).

I rigged up a rainwater catchment system that used a clay tile roof as its main collector surface area. We used 10 of the large blue plastic storage tubs we moved down here with to store a huge volume of rainwater for washing and flushing.

When the rains failed we used a pressure washer to pump water up from street level to fill the tubs. No kidding we took "showers" out of a bucket for a month. We don't have hurricanes here but we do have lots of broken infrastructure to deal with at times. Mac
 
Hey, that suggests adding one of those partable shower thingies -- or you can poke small holes in a large can as a "shower head."
 
You probably won't need these with the other two fire sources and it would be fun for every one to practice with your mag/flint blocks to start fires...
Where will you be and how long do you plan to be out?
How much survival will you be wanting to practice or are you just going out on a camping trip?
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Russ...
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I have items like the trioxane, the flint/mag block and matches because they're either part of my everyday use (matches) or part of my BOB, USP, or normal camping gear.

Ideally, We'll be in my apartment. The building I reside in is 3 floors high... and I'm on the second. Out of the way of flooding, and major roof damage. In total, there are 12 apartments in my building, 4 on each floor.
Every person in my group lives in either this complex, or one close by.

I'm "professionally" trained in survival, and I've taught my girlfriend a lot. between her and I, We could keep the group alive for up to 2 weeks, without breaking a sweat.

I also have many survival books, guides to plants, and first ad manuals in the house.. so if for some reason both of us are incapacitated, the group will be able to assist us.

Russ, the sawyer extractor is used to remove vemon from snake and insect bites..

Everyone that isn't smart enough to put aside their own stores will be holding out a hand to you. Word spreads fast. Your friends have already told at least one person each what they are doing and where. Those people will in turn spread the word and as this type of thing usually goes, by the time SHTF, you are part of the governments efforts and half the city is on your doorstep. Keep it simple, small and very private.
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I intended from the start to keep this a private affair. Yet I'm also counting on being the charitible type. There is a nice central area here between buildings that's 30ft wide, and 100ft long.. Given extra tarps, and such.. this would make a nice area to set up our own refugee camp of sorts. I'm a first responder, and it's always my first impuse to help people in need. I have a 40 qt stockpot that could make food for 50+ people should the need arise. That, combined with my knowledge of water treatment could easily keep a large number of people alive and well for weeks. I think I'll go to Sams Club tomorrow and pick up some 50 lb bags of beans, rice, and other staples.
some large cans of veggies and canned meats would do well too...

On the same note.. now that I think about it.. taking some simple items, like
5lb Black beans: $1.00 (in bulk)
5lb red beans: $1.00 (in bulk)
5lb Rice: $.50 (in bulk)
Huge can of corn: $2 (in bulk) about 3 lbs of corn.
Spam, or other form of canned meat (large can): $4 about 3 lbs of meat.
Spices: Free.. My deck is covered in a large herb garden, and many are found locally.

That's under $10 a day.. and that should feed.. what? 40 people.. at least... and it's healthy. And should fill the role of food. As a soup, it'd also contain a large amount of water, making it much easier for those who hate water. (I'm one of them :) )

I know a lot of people feel differently about the "sheeple".. But I don't know what it is about me... What i was taught as a kid, or in the military.. or maybe it was the fact that on 9/11 I saw the smoke on the horizon. Whatever it is.. if I see another person needing help, I help. Regardless if it's the guy that flipped me off yesterday, or the single mother with 2 kids that lives 2 buildings down, if they're in serious trouble.. I can't not help. (read that as: I will help)


Speaking of ugly, in the worst case, where there is violent looting, those who appear too much trouble to mess with tend not to be messed with. I have personally witnessed this in two different cities. On the other paw, those who look like victims . . . .
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Agreed. I witnessed some of the looting of Downtown Orlando last season.. not pretty.
 
I too suggest that you distribute a list and keep the supplies distributed.
Evacuation whenever possible would be best before big storms, make frends in wide spread locations and don't arrive needing any thing more than some space.
My experiences with natural disasters suggests;
Power will be out, do not expect to get gasolene or basic services.
Get a post hole digger or at least a pick and some shovels and look up how to build an outhouse.
Get some cloths pins, you may apreciate some clean clothes, and need to do laundry before the power comes back on.
Figure out how to get a supply of water after the power goes.
Cash will be king, dishonest people will know this, take appropriate actions.
Package all clothing and supplies in waterproof containers. When the roof blows off they will get wet.
Getting several tire patching kits and a good 12v air compressor (roofing nails are a bear) would be a good idea.
If you need to go far you will need a chain saw and gasolene to get through the downed trees. (Personnally I have found a 4WD drive vehicle and a winch, with accessories, usefull for moving larger trees, when we go winter wheeling in several feet of snow.. but I digress).
The street signs can get turned or missing by high winds, a good map of the area is a good idea.
Where the availiable water may be contaminated by salt, a hand pumped membrane (reverse osmosis) fliter would be a good idea.
Large tarps and para cord, nails etc. can be used to erect shelters and to protect what remains of the house (we have erected tarp shelters more than 50 feet across and totally surrounded the campfire (open to the sky) when rainy weather has hit while camping).
Crow bars, saws and hammers may be necessary to construct shelters and/or contribute to rescue operations.
After dark entertainment (light and something to do ) will need some planning.
(I recently started converting my music to MP3 on Cd and have set up a solar rechargeable boom box for rainy day camping. One Cd is good for 9 -12 hours of music and a pair of 7AH rechargeable batteries will power it for 8 hours the same setup will power an electric lamp for the same 8 hours) At least get an oil lamp 5 gallons of oil and some cards and a book of card games.
I too suggest cooking on the grill and trying to have fun. Lay in stocks of koolaid for the peole who will gravitate to the light after dark.
In this type of scenerio you will be looked to for help by the sheeple. You must figure out how to deal with this.
Just some thoughts...
Enjoy!
 
I intended from the start to keep this a private affair. Yet I'm also counting on being the charitible type. There is a nice central area here between buildings that's 30ft wide, and 100ft long.. Given extra tarps, and such.. this would make a nice area to set up our own refugee camp of sorts.
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HK2001,
Since you seem to intend to turn your private affair into a block party, you might consider having a sit-down with your neighbors to inform them of your intentions for their common area. You can't feed the world and your menu will be limited, so you might suggest that they also stockpile some rations for the event. It's Florida and many will have gone through big storms in the past -- they should respond.

I would sell this as a security measure, designed to keep your apartment complex residents near their home, rather than chasing down food and water from FEMA while leaving their home and possessions unguarded. Neighbors helping neighbors. Along that line, you might want to suggest that the "party" be for apartment residents only to keep unknown faces out of the complex. The folks who live there will be self-sufficient, any invitees will be the responsibility of the invitor with regard to care and feeding.

Take an informal inventory of equipment already owned: BarBQ's, camping equipment, generators, chainsaws, woodworking tools et al. With pooled resources you might have a lot of capability. Meanwhile, the responsibility for buying and maintaining the food and other supplies is distributed. Don't buy food you wouldn't eat normally, just buy more of it.

If all your neighbors had two weeks food on hand (in addition to your bulk purchases/stash) and you had a large water purification system available, you wouldn't have any problem making it through a bad aftermath.

$.02
 
Good suggestions by all.

I will add.

Antibiotics a simple infection could kill you without a $2 cure :( .

Keflex
erythromycin
metronidazole
doxycycline
ammoxicillin
(Above Keep frozen use looong after exp date)

Epinephrine 1-1000 and syringes for severe reactions

All the above legal to purchase (without a scrip) and own as fish/animal medicine and it is the SAME stuff. I use it myself all the time. Buy a few medical books and learn! so you don't kill anyone.

More medical stuff as mentioned plus.

Benedryl
polysporin
alergy meds
pepto
tylenol

Honey bucket lots of garbage bags and javex lots!(plain no scents or additives).
Boxes of unscented baby wipes (you have to hawl water youl want them)
Cleaning supplies as sanitation will keep you alive longer.

Food:

Honey unpasturized (mulitple uses including medical)
Fats you are lacking the highest energy source for bulk buy lots.
Learn how to utilize winter wheat for a complete food source.
Stove lantern fuel LOTS!!
Dried fruits Lots!
Multivitamins and vit C Lots.

A bugout plan as the city will kill you eventually prepared or not.

Get your friends perpared as they will be a burden in a short time and will turn on you in short order. Or get new friends. People with nothing to contribute are dead weight and must be considered a threat to you.

Wilderness gear as you will end up there if its prolonged. Topo maps and navigation skills to get out of dodge.

I professionally train people to survive and I wouldn't want any of them in my group so training is just that training GET EXPERIENCE!

Skam
 
skammer said:
A bugout plan as the city will kill you eventually prepared or not.
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Since many have survived disasters in cities, this seems simply incorrect. Not every survival situation is The End of the World as We Know It. In fact, that situation is statistically unlikely in a given year.

Get your friends perpared as they will be a burden in a short time and will turn on you in short order.
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Interesting view of friends and group dynamics. Makes you wonder how civilization has survived given the many disasters. Human experience teaches that the knowledgable member(s) of the group can hold the group together so all survive. Interpersonal skills are significant survival skills in group survival situations.

Skammer's next comment is even more instructive:

People with nothing to contribute are dead weight and must be considered a threat to you.
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The lone wolf -- or, rather, rogue wolf -- view. Every man for himself and the Devil take the hindmost. There go the young, the very old, the injured (wounded) and the sick. I suppose one could regard them as a food source. :rolleyes: Group members with "nothing to contribute" may be why you fight if it comes to fighting. It works that way for wolves.
 
skammer said:
Keflex
erythromycin
metronidazole
doxycycline
ammoxicillin
(Above Keep frozen use looong after exp date)

Epinephrine 1-1000 and syringes for severe reactions

All the above legal to purchase (without a scrip) and own as fish/animal medicine and it is the SAME stuff. I use it myself all the time. Buy a few medical books and learn! so you don't kill anyone.

Honey bucket lots of garbage bags and javex lots!(plain no scents or additives).
Cleaning supplies as sanitation will keep you alive longer.
I professionally train people to survive and I wouldn't want any of them in my group so training is just that training GET EXPERIENCE!

Skam
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I've been looking for Epi, ammox, and a few of the other drugs you listed, but I can't find them without a prescription.. even for animals! Where are you finding these?

I have a half gallon of honey in the house.. we use it for tea, and what not.. but it's there in case I need it.

Get your friends perpared as they will be a burden in a short time and will turn on you in short order. Or get new friends. People with nothing to contribute are dead weight and must be considered a threat to you.
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People with nothing to contribute, or nothing at all, in the situation I'm preparing for are not a threat.. They are victims. That leaves me with two options: Do nothing at all, which only victimizes them more.. Or help them.
I choose to help them.

Instead of replying to this the way i really feel.. I'm going to snag 3 paragraphs from ThePiedPiper over at alpharubicon This is his account of Hurricane Andrew.. But I can tell you, I've seen the same come from Hurricane Jeanne, 9/11, and countless blizzards in NY.

With things going well, I got on the phone and learned that the airport would reopen the following morning. I was able to book a flight back to Washington for the next day, so I packed up and my mother took me to Miami International the next morning. We saw the Federal Express jet with the collapsed nosegear as we approached the terminal. I checked in and went to the gate to await my flight. I had allowed several hours because I didn’t know how much delay there would be with people having been stuck at the airport for over two days by then. There was no water to drink in our terminal. There was no food being served.

A gentleman approached us, his young son with him. Each had one piece of luggage and looked rather disheveled but their clothes were nice and they looked like they’d had to camp there awhile. The man looked embarrassed as he asked if we could spare a little money so his son could buy a prepackaged snack at the little shop there—it was the only food available. They’d been stuck there since Sunday whilst awaiting a flight back to Belgium, so they’d spent their remaining funds just surviving during the wait. In the time it took me to pull out a $20, I saw a half dozen bills materialize from people around us, ranging from $5 to $50. The man’s mouth dropped and so did mine.

While we awaited my flight, another gentleman I’d been chatting with decided to see if he could find water in the next terminal. Off he went. He returned about 45 minutes later, a tray in hand with a dozen or so cups of water. He offered me one and I gratefully accepted it. My mother accepted another. The other cups immediately were snapped up by others but many didn’t get any. A woman sitting across from me was watching me and as our eyes met, I held the cup out to her. To my amazement, she smiled, reached out, and accepted it. She took a drink and offered it back to me. I looked around and realized there were others watching, hoping to be included in the opportunity. I motioned toward them, and she passed the cup along. No fewer than five people—five strangers—drank from the same cup that day. No one worried about germs or race or religion or politics that day. We were all just people with common needs.
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Hey Thomas,

How many Mass continental disasters you lived through?

As I thought, your opinion is noted.

Group dynamics can break down in even small disasters, I saw fist fights in stores before a hurricaine pitting neighbours against each other.

Don't talk yourself into the group hug mentality because people will do what they need to survive. If it gets bad enough they will come after your stuff.

Will we ever see such a situation? Who knows my crystal ball is on the blink. BUt I do prepare for much more than a 3 hour blackout. Millions of people in a small area with little to live on is a not good thing no matter how you work the numbers.

In my experience a weeks worth of food and water and odds and ends is more than 90% of the city population has prepared. This fact in itself says something about your own security should TSHTF.

Antibiotics can be bought here:

http://lambriarvet.com/Antibiotics.php

Good luck.

Skam
 
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