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New Jersey Assembly bill A1387, which would permit municipalities to establish huge swaths of "weapons free zones" around schools, parks and "public facilities" within which possession of "any dangerous knife" would be prohibited, under penalty of fine and imprisonment, was passed by the full Assembly, along with a package of 19 other anti-gun bills, by decidedly partisan votes. We do know that your emails and calls were heard, but the steamroller in the Assembly was unstoppable. HOWEVER, THIS BILL HAS NOT YET BECOME LAW.

The bill now moves to the NJ Senate, a somewhat more deliberative body where all indications are that there is no desire to steamroll the bill package that passed in the Assembly. A1387 will face brand new scrutiny and a full committee hearing in the Senate, if it is even moved forward there at all. Not all the bills passed by the Assembly yesterday will even get a hearing in the Senate. In any case, we will have a better chance to remove the "any dangerous knife" language during a hearing process, which was bypassed in the Assembly.

We will alert you to act if and when the bill begins moving in the Senate process and it is time to write and call NJ's senators about this insanity.

See You in NJ at East Coast Custom Knife Show​

Knife Rights Chairman Doug Ritter will be at the East Coast Custom Knife Show in Jersey City, NJ, March 1-3. Please stop by our table, right inside the entrance to the show to say hello. Click here for location, times and additional information on ECCKS. See you there!

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A bill working its way very rapidly through the New Jersey legislature has just been amended without a hearing to include "any dangerous knife" to proposed enhanced "weapons free zones," creating a dangerous trap for the unwary citizen that could result in fines and jail time for possession of common pocket knives or utility knives within those "zones." We need EVERYONE to WRITE TODAY to help stop this insanity! (see below)

New Jersey Assembly bill A1387 would permit municipalities to establish huge swaths of "weapons free zones" around schools, parks and public facilities within which possession of “any dangerous knife” would be prohibited, under penalty of fine and imprisonment.

There are so many issues with this bill and specifically, the "dangerous knife" provision, I hardly know where to start.

First, there is no definition of "dangerous knife," a legally vague and ambiguous term that could apply to anything from a Swiss Army Knife to kitchen knives. As such, it will be left entirely up to cops on the street and then courts to determine what is or is not a "dangerous knife." There is a huge potential for abuse of honest citizens by any cop, prosecutor or judge with an agenda or prejudice, as we have seen amply demonstrated for the last several years in New York City, which stimulated our pending Federal Civil Rights lawsuit against the City and DA. The "dangerous knife" provision was added to the bill after a committee hearing last week from the Assembly floor and without any public hearing on the new provision! WRITE TODAY to help stop this insanity! (see below)

The definition of public facilities is extremely broad and simply driving down many streets or walking past a park or through or past a public space would put citizens at risk in a state that has virtually defined unreasonable in regards to similar existing restrictions on firearms. The knife provision puts tradesmen who use knives for their jobs at risk, along with anyone who carries a common folding knife. It would also turn utility knives in hardware or convenience stores into illegal contraband if the stores are within the “weapon free” zones. WRITE TODAY to help stop this insanity! (see below)

As but one example, were this legislation to pass and a "weapons free zone" be enacted by Jersey City, New Jersey, which is likely considering the Mayor's extreme anti-weapon sentiment, anyone attending or exhibiting at the East Coast Custom Knife Show or New York Custom Knife Show in Jersey City could be subject to arrest at numerous points in their journey. It is virtually impossible to get to the hotel without encroaching on one or more of the proposed "weapons free zones." (The irony is that these shows moved out of New York City to New Jersey to escape persecution by the anti-knife District Attorney, Cyrus Vance, Jr.) WRITE TODAY to help stop this insanity! (see below)

Finally, as with all such laws, the potential impact on crime is to actually increase the risk to law-abiding citizens within these "weapons free zones" without any positive impact on school or public safety. These gun or weapon free zones simply create a victim-rich location where it is advertised to criminals and madmen that their victims will be unarmed and defenseless.

We need EVERYONE to WRITE Today! If you live, work or travel in New Jersey, please contact your two Assembly members and ask them to oppose A1387 and to, at a minimum, remove the "dangerous knife" provision. Non-New Jerseyans need to contact ALL Assembly members and ask them to remove the "dangerous knife" provision. Click here to locate your Assembly member or to access all New Jersey Assembly members: http://www.anjrpc.org/?Contact_legislators

Specifically, we ask that EVERYONE contact Assemblyman Charles Mainor, the Chairman of the Assembly Law & Public Safety Committee, and ask him to remove the "dangerous knife" provision: Email: AsmMainor@njleg.org Phone: 201-536-7851 Fax: 201-536-7854

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Very good writeup. So if I'm not from that state I can still write to AsmMainor@njleg.org and just ask that the Dangerous Knife provision be removed from New Jersey Assembly bill A1387?
 
I'm going to make this a "sticky" for the time being.
 
Contacted them, I may not live in NJ, but I'm not sitting by and letting this happen without a fight.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is that good men do nothing.
 
Very good writeup. So if I'm not from that state I can still write to AsmMainor@njleg.org and just ask that the Dangerous Knife provision be removed from New Jersey Assembly bill A1387?

Yes! While legislators look to their own constituents first, to a certain extent, volume (quantity) makes a distinct impression in a situation like this.
 
What is wrong with REASONABLE knife control laws? As long as it protects ONE CHILD, isn't it worth giving up your "right" to carry a "dangerous knife?" This is what it wrong with all you extremists! You refuse to sit down and have a discussion on REASONABLE bans!

And this, my friends, is how the erosion of liberty starts.
 
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What is wrong with REASONABLE knife control laws? As long as it protects ONE CHILD, isn't it worth giving up your "right" to carry a "dangerous knife?" This is what it wrong with all you extremists! You refuse to sit down and have a discussion on REASONABLE bans!

And this, my friends, is how the erosion of liberty starts.

How are you a member of these forums and ask that question? It's not anywhere near reasonable and a criminal will carry a "dangerous knife" whether it's legal or not...
 
How are you a member of these forums and ask that question? It's not anywhere near reasonable and a criminal will carry a "dangerous knife" whether it's legal or not...

You really need to read his post again.
 
How are you a member of these forums and ask that question? It's not anywhere near reasonable and a criminal will carry a "dangerous knife" whether it's legal or not...

Runawayemu, where are you located? Is American "English" your first language? This is not meant to be an insulting question. Some cultures do not grasp sarcasm. Heck, some FAMILIES I know don't grasp it. That being said my post was meant to be far beyond sarcastic. Sardonic would be the word to use.
 
they have been contacted. thank you for posting this and bringing it to everyones attention.
 
If you want this to really get noticed, un-sticky it. Most people don't look at the stickies. (Then re-sticky it once it moves off the front page.)
 
When such laws are enacted in densely populated urban areas, they often result in a crazy quilt patchwork of heightened punishment zones that cover huge swathes of cities while failing to inform residents where their boundaries are.

In New Jersey, for example, three-quarters of Newark and more than half of Jersey City and Camden are included in drug-free zones, while only 6% of rural Mansfield Township is covered by them. The result, said the New Jersey Sentencing Commission, is "a devastatingly disproportionate effect on New Jersey's minority community."

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/428/zones.shtml
This should be relevant and applicable to this discussion.
 
I am a pretty liberal guy, and I support firearm restrictions (restricting what can be had, handguns of all kinds outside machine pistols are fine to me)... But this is just asinine. When did middle ground die? I can see banning kitchen knives or some giant thing, but stuff like a SAK should be legal everywhere, because a pencil can likely do more damage.

People on both sides of the "weapons" debate have apparently gone to ludicrous speed. Joking aside, this is just stupid. There is a difference between a knife being a tool and a weapon. A sub-3" blade can hardly be called a weapon, even if Cold Steel makes it look like one. A shoe can do more damage.
 
New Jersey Assembly bill A1387, which would permit municipalities to establish huge swaths of "weapons free zones" around schools, parks and "public facilities" within which possession of "any dangerous knife" would be prohibited, under penalty of fine and imprisonment, was passed by the full Assembly, along with a package of 19 other anti-gun bills, by decidedly partisan votes. We do know that your emails and calls were heard, but the steamroller in the Assembly was unstoppable. HOWEVER, THIS BILL HAS NOT YET BECOME LAW.

The bill now moves to the NJ Senate, a somewhat more deliberative body where all indications are that there is no desire to steamroll the bill package that passed in the Assembly. A1387 will face brand new scrutiny and a full committee hearing in the Senate, if it is even moved forward there at all. Not all the bills passed by the Assembly yesterday will even get a hearing in the Senate. In any case, we will have a better chance to remove the "any dangerous knife" language during a hearing process, which was bypassed in the Assembly.

We will alert you to act if and when the bill begins moving in the Senate process and it is time to write and call NJ's senators about this insanity.

See You in NJ at East Coast Custom Knife Show​

Knife Rights Chairman Doug Ritter will be at the East Coast Custom Knife Show in Jersey City, NJ, March 1-3. Please stop by our table, right inside the entrance to the show to say hello. Click here for location, times and additional information on ECCKS. See you there!
 
I am a pretty liberal guy, and I support firearm restrictions (restricting what can be had, handguns of all kinds outside machine pistols are fine to me)... But this is just asinine. When did middle ground die? I can see banning kitchen knives or some giant thing, but stuff like a SAK should be legal everywhere, because a pencil can likely do more damage.

People on both sides of the "weapons" debate have apparently gone to ludicrous speed. Joking aside, this is just stupid. There is a difference between a knife being a tool and a weapon. A sub-3" blade can hardly be called a weapon, even if Cold Steel makes it look like one. A shoe can do more damage.

When people vote for the sort of despots that would defy our Constitution and attack the law abiding gun owners of this nation, why would it come as a surprise that those same despots also want to deprive us of other freedoms? Guns aren't your thing and knives are - fine. Freedom is freedom and if we aid tyrants when they deprive others of their freedoms, who will be there to help when the tyrants come for ours?

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Beckerhead #42
 
Guns today, knives tomorrow, martial arts in the future, all aboard the "banning" express.
 
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