Gun guy asking dumb knife question. Danger of opening?

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I'm a gun guy. Like knives but don't know much about them.

Naive question: say I get a Benchmade folder, what is there to ensure it won't come open when clipped in pocket? I carry a gun in a proper holster and it doesn't concern me. I need to learn more about knives and what will work for me so I am comfortable carrying.
 
Detent helps also if you carry right handed and tip up the blade will open against the back of pocket very little if it does. That and always assume its open when you reach into pocket lol will save you getting bitten.
 
Assumming its tip up carry then between the tension of the axis lock and the blade having to go against the edge of your pocket, I would find it highly unlikely to open on its own accord. And as long as you keep it against the end of your pocket you wont have to worry about stabbing yourself when sticking your hand in even, if it did open.


dang it metalbug, lol
 
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There are several ways to keep a knife in your pocket closed. you asked about benchmade's so that is how i will answer your question. the Axis lock act's as a detent system meaning the lock help's hold the blade closed until a certain amount of pressure is applied to the blade to open. it also largely depends on how you carry the knife. you need to place the clip on the side of the knife you carry the knife on. so the clip should be on the right side if you carry it in your right pocket. if you carry it in your left pocket put it on the left side of the knife. if you do that the blade will be pressed against the seam of your pocket holding the blade closed. if that is still not " safe" enough for you you can but a belt sheath but i think that is totally unnecessary. in all honestly, after carrying knives for years i have never had a knife come open. its not something i would worry about.
 
As a gun guy myself I can offer you two options:

1) get one with a manual safety, but then it's dependant on you to activate it and on the flip side ou gotta remember to deactivate it or your screwed. The exact way a gun works.







2) Get a quality knife and think off it as a revolver. unless your finger is on the trigger it's not going off. the transfer bar safety is the equivalent to the amount of force needed to deploy it, so again, if your hand isn't on it things wont go off, or in this case open if you don't want them too.

If your responsible enough to carry a gun I'm sure you'll be ok with an EDC
 
Not a dumb question, it does happen. That's why I carry tip up right. You could get a leather sheath or a kydex holster if your still worried.
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What knife are you carrying?

This is one reason I don't like liner or frame locks. The ball detent isn't strong enough of a force to keep the knife closed, IMO. A bump against something you run into can knock the blade loose from the detent. Lockbacks and the AXIS lock have a spring-tensioned bias that keeps the knife closed. Open it a bit, and it snaps back shut. Assisted knives, while not my favorite, have a torsion bar that has a very strong bias to keep it closed that likely won't be accidentally opened. I don't like knives with safeties. The only knives with safeties are assisteds and automatics, and putting a safety on such a knife defeats the purpose of having a knife that quickly opens. Tip-up carry is preferable with a knife if you're worried about it opening in your pocket. Ironically though, one time I cut myself really badly was with a tip-up automatic - a Microtech LCC. It had a worn sear, and somehow opened itself in my pocket, and when I put my hand in my pocket, my pinky finger slid down the blade and gave me a nasty cut. I've owned many other autos, none with safetys, and have never had another problem with them accidentally firing. The one auto I have left is a tip-down carry Microtech Mini SOCOM with no safety, and I don't worry about it accidentally opening.
 
It wouldn't make any difference even if the detent was defective as long as the spine of the closed knife is resting against the rear of the pocket, and it always is as long as you have the clip on the correct side.
 
I have carried lots of folders. I've never had one open in my pocket. There are some that will open when you pull them out though.
 
Slipjoints and lockbacks are best in my experience for staying shut in the pocket. Byrd cara cara 2 and the swiss army knives come to mind as prime examples.
 
Slipjoints and lockbacks are best in my experience for staying shut in the pocket. Byrd cara cara 2 and the swiss army knives come to mind as prime examples.

I'd put AXIS Lock and caged ball bearing lock knives in that category as well.

Liner locks, on the other hand, can definitely open in the pocket unless the spine is kept against a pocket seam.

Even with the more secure designs, I always keep the spine against a seam. I think of it in the same way as my practice of only carrying a handgun in a holster I trust.
 
yeah, it's that 1 in a million chance of things going wrong
that keeps me from wearing a six shooter.
new folding knives from benchmade will not get you "shot in the foot".
figure every benchmade model has to have at least
some safety considerations built in
before full scale manufacturing begins?
but there's an old trick in keeping a bouncy folder in a pocket.
use rubber bands.
the use of it will keep the blade folded in place
whilst the natural tackiness of rubber
actually helps the folder
stay put in the pocket.
 
I've carried tip up and down for over twenty years, mostly liner or frame lock. The few that would open were extremely inexpensive. Tip up is problematic, if it does open, it leaves the edge exposed. Clips don't always retain a knife against the back of the pocket, regardless of the advice that it's safe. As a gun owner, you've heard the discussion that the Glock safety works fine, too. And yet, some of us prefer a manual safety locking the action no matter what - which Glock will also sell, too.

If you absolutely don't want to worry about the knife opening, it has to lock shut, which is a hassle. Carrying tip down solves the problem completely, if you do put your hand in the pocket, the motion will likely close the blade, as will pulling it out to use. The reason so many don't like it is the assumption it "deploys" slower, which means speed of draw might leave them in second place in a lethal encounter. The same argument crops up in guns, too, "that split second might mean life and death!" What gets left out of the conversation is why someone ignored all the clues they were already in a life and death confrontation for the last few minutes. It goes to the usual monkey dance of one guy trying to make his case promoting his self image, not the actual reality of a tactical situation.

You can carry tip up, down, or fixed, use whatever locking system you want, the quality makers all do a good job. Better to concentrate what blade and handle styles suit your use first, a knife is a tool most often and should be chosen for that above all. The self defense aspects mean very little if you already carry a firearm, and if you don't, the acquired skills of unarmed self defense are better to have than a knife. They are required to have before edged weapons training in most disciplines anyway. Just carrying a knife won't do much if you can't defend against an attacker.

Stick to a quality knife maker and pick one you like, carry it, and learn how to not cut yourself. The best method is to carrry a slip joint with no lock, it will bite you, but only if you use it wrong to begin with. That way you don't get in the habit of trusting a locking blade - they can and will fail, every one, given enough time and ingenuity.
 
I've been carrying all sorts(framelocks,linerlocks,backlocks,autos,axis) of knives for years.Usually 'tip up' right side.
I've only had a knife open in my pocket twice.First time was a cheap China made Schrade linerlock & the second tim was an Emerson CQC-12.The CQC-12 was partially my fault because the wave caught on my pocket unintentionally,but it did have a noticeably weak detent IMO.
 
I've been tackled, rolled around the ground, ran 8 blocks, jumped fences, used it as a striking device and never had my assisted open AXIS ock with the safety off come open.
 
I had a Barrage open in my pocket, I discovered it when I bent over and the blade came out the front of my shorts. I think it was user deployed, I had a Preon 2 2xAAA flashlight in the same pocket, and the end of the flashlight must of hit the stud(I no longer carry the preon in any pocket with a folder).

The Barrage has a tang safety, but I still don't use it. I have over 2 years since of Barrage carry in my weak side pocket without issue. The Barrage having assisted opening, it takes more pressure to open vs my other Benchmades.
 
I prefer liner locks, and prefer tip down. Never ever had one open on me in my pocket. But then again, I do not buy cheap knives. My favorite being the Spyderco Military, I carry two all the time, one each side. Never had one open on me unintentionally.

I think your worrying about a big nothing burger.

As for the tip up being against the back of the pocket, that is true. However, I've had knives with really tight clips move forward in my pocket for whatever reason. Out the window goes that logic.

Tip down, if the blade is open slightly, your hand going down into your pocket will push the blade closed again. Will not stab you because the point is at the bottom of the pocket.
 
What knife are you carrying?

This is one reason I don't like liner or frame locks. The ball detent isn't strong enough of a force to keep the knife closed, IMO. A bump against something you run into can knock the blade loose from the detent. Lockbacks and the AXIS lock have a spring-tensioned bias that keeps the knife closed. Open it a bit, and it snaps back shut. Assisted knives, while not my favorite, have a torsion bar that has a very strong bias to keep it closed that likely won't be accidentally opened. I don't like knives with safeties. The only knives with safeties are assisteds and automatics, and putting a safety on such a knife defeats the purpose of having a knife that quickly opens. Tip-up carry is preferable with a knife if you're worried about it opening in your pocket. Ironically though, one time I cut myself really badly was with a tip-up automatic - a Microtech LCC. It had a worn sear, and somehow opened itself in my pocket, and when I put my hand in my pocket, my pinky finger slid down the blade and gave me a nasty cut. I've owned many other autos, none with safetys, and have never had another problem with them accidentally firing. The one auto I have left is a tip-down carry Microtech Mini SOCOM with no safety, and I don't worry about it accidentally opening.

That's not entirely accurate. It varies knife to knife. My Spyderco Persistence's detent is pretty weak, but my Kershaw TiLT's detent is really strong. And if I were ever so inclined, I could make the my persistence's detent stronger by bending the lockbar a little inward like I did with my Kershaw Lahar.
 
I've had one knife open in my pocket. I was at the checkout of a store and pulled out my wallet to pay. After I payed I was putting my wallet back in my pocket ( right back pocket). My Cold Steel large Voyager open up and stabbed into my right thumb. So there I stood holding my thumb, trying to stop the bleeding as my wife and the cashier was freaking out. It was a deep cut to the bone.

I think the biggest problem in my case was the Voyager was just to big to be carried in the same pocket as my wallet. Since then I haven't carried in in the same way. It was pretty embarrasing to be standing in line, bleeding and people staring at you. The manager even came over and asked if I was ok. When I told him what happened and that I was ok you could tell by his facial expression that he didn't approve of me carring a knife.
 
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