Gun Question..(ANOTHER ONE?!), 2 parter

kdstrick said:
The only good thing about rattlesnakes is they are not territorial like a Cottonmouth. The water-moccasin will come after you! I know you have those in E.TX. also.
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Cottonmouths are the only snakes I have killed. They made a nest under our dock and wouldn't let us get close.
 
I've hunted hogs with a 4" GP-100 and Cor-Bon 180-gr Sp ammo. Worked just fine.
If I had to pick only one outdoors handgun, a .357 would be it.

I've used the shotshells before. You do have to be close, 10 feet is about the outside of the usable envelope. Funny thing is, it seems the pattern best with short barrels. I think it has something to do with the longer barrels spinning the shot charge more before what's left of the caspule exits the barrel.

I'm glad someone else said it, rattlesnakes aren't thd only venomous snakes out there. I've had to shoot water mocassins many, many times. They are aggressive, they will come after you, and they will work together to surround you. For the guys that think all rattlesnakes willt ry to get away from you ahve obviously never encountered a western diamondback. Entirely different mindset fromt he eastern diamondback, they are not docile at all. Another real pisser is the sidewinder. I've seen them strike at rocks that they slithered over. Just because you may not have such aggressive snakes where you live, don't discount carrying a gun to dispatch them as an unworthy endeavor.
 
Terrill THAT is a beautifull six shooter amigo!!

And yes, CCI shotshells.. They arent very good for anything passed pissing distance, but up close with a snake they do just fine;-)
 
Thanks Trace. It makes a good woods gun. This past weekend was a perfect example of why I will shoot a snake. Ninty people camping yet even with the crowd around we had one dog get bit. Classic fang marks on it's snout of either a Copperhead or Rattler. Little or no venom injected since the dog started to recover the next day. But on Sat. that poor dog was really suffering and a good bit of swelling.
 
Just got an idea with the shot shells. Throw a half dollar in the air then fire with the shot shell. Theres a good chance you will hjit it , right? Your friends will think youre an amazing shot. Just dont tell them what youre firing.
 
J_williams, I too have an S&W 686 w/ a 4" barrel in IMHO it is one of the best outdoor hand gun's around it will take deer, hogs, black bear, and some big cats with ease as well as the random snake. I also like the idea of having the first round being shot shell and the rest for bigger critters
 
Mtn Hawk said:
Darbyfett-- I don't know how big and/or aggressive Texas hogs are, but I spend a lot of time in areas with black bears and mountain lions. Since human attacks by these animals are extremely rare, and I don't want to pack a large, bulky, heavy revolver for something that will probably never happen, when I carry I take a .357 Ruger SP101 3". I'm sure if I was ever charged by a black bear I'd wish I had a 12 gauge shotgun with rifled slugs or large buckshot but the 180 gr. hard-cast bullets I use would probably do the job, if I do mine. A lot of people only concentrate on caliber but bullet weight and construction are also very important. These are what I use: http://www.buffalobore.com/ammunition/default.htm#357
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Never had a run in with hogs so I can't be sure. But I will be exploring my families rather large chunk of land out in the woods and would rather be safe than sorry. I don't plan on carrying a 8 Inch raging bull, probably going to be getting a 4" Tracker

Mtn Hawk said:
I have to wonder about anyone who kills an animal for no reason. The only snake I ever shot was a rattlesnake which came near the house. There was no other way to safely eliminate it.

I've seen many rattlesnakes on my hikes and wilderness trips and never had the need to kill one. They were as anxious to get out of my way as I was of theirs. Who in their right mind would stand in the strike zone drawing a handgun, aiming, and shooting at a fairly small target, unless there was absolutely no other option? What might the snake be doing while all this is going on?

The instinct to remove oneself from the strike zone is so strong that one usually starts to move away from a snake before the situation fully registers in consciousness. I can't imagine many wilderness scenarios where this would not be possible. If a person can safely remove themselves from the strike zone then it means they are not in danger, so what's the reason for killing the snake?

Shooting anything at high velocity into the ground a few feet or few yards away from where one is standing, not knowing what it might bounce off or fragment, is something I don't do and strongly advise others not to do, unless the risk outweighs the threat, which it rarely does.
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I don't plan on killing them for no reason, I love reptiles. My only concern is the property I am going to be exploring soon is large and has a lake, so who knows what kind of critters I will see. My grandfather has seen quite a few Water Moccasins out there. I know I will most likely never have to use it, but why not carry it just in case. I am more worried about a pissed off hog than I am a snake.
 
jackknife said:
I think I read someplace that more people get hit by lightning in the U.S. than are snake bit. I think the snake thing is a very overrated reason to carry a gun. Most people who have gotten bit by a snake have been messing with it trying to play Steve Irwin.
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Like I said in my other replies, I know I will most likely never need it for a snake. Just the sense of security. I am more worried about 2 legged snakes and hogs.


And hey, people do win the lottery and get struck by lightning.:p
 
if worried about snakes, you could get one of the Taurus Judge revolvers .45 colt/.410 shotshell, that would do a number I guarantee.
 
I have to throw in my 2 cents on CCI .22 shotshells=====>
WORTHLESS
(Actually I value them at 2 cents)
Won't cycle through my Ruger 10/22 :thumbdn:
I don't even think there IS enough ballistic energy to even kill a rattle snake:thumbdn:
Maybe an infant earthworm
I'd have better luck with my vintage black matte, folding version, Wham-O Wrist Rocket :eek:
(that is another story...goes back to Young Trent's Pre First Blood Era...I still got her...I'm in the process of refurbishing her with some Krylon Black Matte....Can't have any glare on your assault slingshot ya know...ROFL..Is Trent gonna be the first to market an ASSAULT slingshot??!!! Titanium forks...black Cordura pouch...black NASA approved surgical tubing...maybe throw in a laser scope and a tactical hip extender holster....hmmmm....Any other suggestions...I'll get started on the business plan tonight for one of my venture captalist's to peruse..would anyone be interested in a W & S version??...Hahahah..just kidding)

I bought them thinking I was gonna have a mini assault shotgun with my Ruger 10/22
What would that be 100 gauge? 200 gauge?
Any mathematicians out there ;)
 
Trent Rock said:
I have to throw in my 2 cents on CCI .22 shotshells=====>
WORTHLESS
(Actually I value them at 2 cents)
Won't cycle through my Ruger 10/22 :thumbdn:
I don't even think there IS enough ballistic energy to even kill a rattle
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Its my understanding the shotshells are made for revolvers.
 
Trent Rock said:
I have to throw in my 2 cents on CCI .22 shotshells=====>
WORTHLESS
(Actually I value them at 2 cents)
Won't cycle through my Ruger 10/22 :thumbdn:
I don't even think there IS enough ballistic energy to even kill a rattle snake:thumbdn:
Maybe an infant earthworm
I'd have better luck with my vintage black matte, folding version, Wham-O Wrist Rocket :eek:
(that is another story...goes back to Young Trent's Pre First Blood Era...I still got her...I'm in the process of refurbishing her with some Krylon Black Matte....Can't have any glare on your assault slingshot ya know...ROFL..Is Trent gonna be the first to market an ASSAULT slingshot??!!! Titanium forks...black Cordura pouch...black NASA approved surgical tubing...maybe throw in a laser scope and a tactical hip extender holster....hmmmm....Any other suggestions...I'll get started on the business plan tonight for one of my venture captalist's to peruse..would anyone be interested in a W & S version??...Hahahah..just kidding)

I bought them thinking I was gonna have a mini assault shotgun with my Ruger 10/22
What would that be 100 gauge? 200 gauge?
Any mathematicians out there ;)
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They work very well on snakes, rats and mice. However, they will NOT function beyond a single shot in a semi-automatic rifle like the 10-22. This is due to the blowback design of that particular rifle. They will function in a bolt-action rifle. I've never tried them in the 94-22 (great gun by the way), but they should work.

I know first hand that it will work in your .357... no worries. Your range will be about 5 feet or so. Try it on a beer can... you will be impressed!
 
jackknife said:
I think I read someplace that more people get hit by lightning in the U.S. than are snake bit. I think the snake thing is a very overrated reason to carry a gun. Most people who have gotten bit by a snake have been messing with it trying to play Steve Irwin.
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Well, there's no gun that we can use to shoot lightning yet. Unless you have one jackknife, in which case I think you'd make a fortune and sell one to at least everyone with a snake gun. People like to think about risks they can manage, especially in a cool tactical way. Heck, I'd take a lightning defense gun- then I'd go on a hunting trip to New Mexico, and take out all them nasty Chained buggers! :D
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I don't understand why some don't think poisonous snakes are a risk. You'd be in a real world of hurt to get bit by a Rattlesnake while going solo as so many of us do. I live in an area where rattlesnakes aren't a huge problem but I've had two one on my driveway and one on the steps on my porch in two years. I think packing a pistol is completely warranted and necessary if theres even a remote chance of coming in contact with a snake. Funny how everyone here says be prepared and then laugh off carrying a pistol for snakes?? Come on guys. I'll carry one with my on pack trips all summer and you'd bet I'd be carrying one 24/7 if i lived in the southwest. JUST BECAUSE ITS NOT LIKELY DOESNT MEAN IT WONT HAPPEN! We all carry survival kits when the chances of having to use one are pretty slim. WE CARRY THEM ANYWAY!
 
Darbyfett said:
Its my understanding the shotshells are made for revolvers.
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CCI make some in 9mm, .40 and .45 They cycled all of MY guns, but it's something you should check for yourself in your gun(s).

a NAA mini-revolver is a poor choice with shotshells intended for snakes. I once shot an empty cardboard 50 round box of .22 ammo near my feet and the shot didn't perforate it completely. Tiny pieces of #12 shot were rattling around inside the box.

Darbyfett, you're correct: it's the two-legged snake that you really need to worry about, not the slithery kind or the hooved kind.

With that in mind, I'd only load the first chamber with the shotshell, and have full power JHP's rounding out the cylinder.

I'd also carry at least one, if not two, speedloaders. And maybe one of those MTM Ammo wallets, either 12 or 18 round capacity, to hold a variety of ammo, like .38 wadcutters, a couple heavy duty .357's and one or two more shotshells.

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The thing that may mess these up is if you chamber them in a rifle, then eject without using it. I don't know if it will be an issue or not, but if the plastic case is grabbed by the chamber, it could give you some grief. Never tried though, so it may be a non-issue. Just one thing to check when you try them out.
 
Mtn Hawk said:
I have to wonder about anyone who kills an animal for no reason. The only snake I ever shot was a rattlesnake which came near the house.
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I must have missed the part where anyone here said they killed them "for no good reason".

:confused:
 
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