Gun Question

not2sharp said:
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I wish they offered in a carbine like this one.

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No problem. Just add a butt stock and $200 for the tax stamp. ;)
 
UffDa said:
Sometimes the truth hurts. ;) Having worked in the gun business for the last 15+ years, I have found that people rarely listen to knowledgable advice. They make a decision and
then want that decision validated. We see that all the time here.

Go ahead and buy a mares leg, but consider it a toy. It is probably one of the most impractical firearms ever made.
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I believe you but I came on here to avoid wasting 900 bucks . I already wasted 300 bucks when I was younger and bought a Tom brown tracker. so I'm trying not to repeat that mistake

I like the idea of a shotgun because I get to buy cool stuff like the dragons breath shells and the bolo shells while I still may be considering te leg since its like you guys say a " fun " gun I also see the potential for the shotgun to be a fun gun while also being up to $400 less
 
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UffDa said:
No problem. Just add a butt stock and $200 for the tax stamp. ;)
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At the end of the day, I'll go with the standard 30/30 carbine. It is not all that much bigger and at least I can hit something with it.

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not2sharp said:
Take a look at this video and observe how close that stock comes to his face.
link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu5auupQnLw

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Once or twice it came close, but hard telling how close due to the camera angle. It had a little pop to it and he was in complete control It wasn't like some youtube videos where it was an ass kicker and busted his forehead open.

SilentJohn said:
I do like the original henry big boy how would you guys rate that
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Overall, good guns. Real smooth actions, I've only had to work on one and it was a .45 Colt, had a broken firing pin. Easy fix and Henry shipped that part for free.

If you wanted to mount a scope to them you had to use a funky mount that attached to the barrel. Henry now ships them standard drilled and tapped.

A lot of people seem worried to scratch them or use them for anything (like hunting). Seems like it's a sin to let the brass patina a bit in some people's minds.
 
You can use the Henry for home defense. I'd get the .44 mag as the ammo should be the same price as the 45 Colt. It will get pricy for the ammo, not much of a plinker. If they happen to make a carbine I'd choose that for home defense. Practice weak side shooting with it.
 
RevDevil said:
I've seen it first hand when someone was breaking into my home 11 years ago. What is not credible? The fact that a shotgun being racked is almost universally recognized? Or the fact that a 12GA shotgun is the most popular home defense choice and has been for years?
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I read this and assumed you were screwing with him. The "racking noise is scary" is one of the most overplayed tropes in the world of firearms.
 
SilentJohn said:
i dont really plan to go hunting with it but i would like to know if it could fill the role if need be.
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That's a good thing, cause you'd probably starve if you had to rely on that goofy gun to put food on the table. I ain't gonna lie John, I have the Rossi version of this "handgun" and it's the dumbest gun I own. It has no practical application what-so-ever, and whatever it does well (if anything), can be more efficiently accomplished with a more suitable tool.

If I were to pick a home defense gun and price was a consideration, then I'd seriously consider a Mossberg 500 or Remington 870 12ga. They're relatively inexpensive, 100% reliable and incredibly versatile.

Ok, back to the dumb gun. For all it's faults (and there are many), the Ranch Hand is a fun little lever-gun and does provide some entertainment at the range, especially if you enjoy shooting 4"-8" above your intended point of aim at 7 yards.:p. But seriously, it reliably feeds a variety of loads and does provide some range fun. Beyond that, it's really just a novelty.

My Wife was able to figure out how to comfortably shoot it.
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if I do get a lever now it will be the henry big boy so I'm between that or a mossberg 500 tri-rail 8 shot
 
after talking with you guys and a few beers with my brother last night its been decided i am not going to buy the mares legs or henry big boy. going with the moss

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thanks for your council you guys
 
SilentJohn said:
going with the moss
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That's a fine choice SilentJohn. I have a variety of handguns and longuns ranging from budget priced to rediculously prices. However, if I had to chose which one of those guns I'd want in my hand during a door-kickin or HD scenario, it would be my least expensive gun, my Mossberg 500 that I purchased for $199 in the mid-to-late 1980's. It came with wood furniture, pistol grip option & 2 barrels. It's gone through a few changes since then, but it remains a loyal friend.
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Good call on the Mossberg. Later, when you want to go back to some cowboy stuff, have a look at the Ruger Single Six (or cheaper copy-like things). It's a great SA revolver that you can afford to shoot. Or, if you are still into lever guns, have a look at a used Winchester 94 or Marlin 336 in 30-30.

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I have to agree with the .357 crowd. My first gun (which, at the time, I thought might be my only gun) was a Ruger GP100 with a 4" barrel. It's totally dependable, ridiculously more accurate than I ever would have expected, and relatively easy to shoot. It's still one of my "go to" defense guns (the others are a 1911 and a little Smith with a laser grip).

About the shotgun being the most popular home defense weapon- well, it probably is, but according to guy I've been lucky enough to know, it shouldn't be. I'm not going to give this guy's resume, but he's been there and done that, and been a trainer. Here's what he told me to think about before using a shotgun for home defense:

Are you willing to lose your hearing? Or do you think you're going to put in your ear protection? Think about a shotgun going off in a hallway or even a small room. He also said the muzzleblast is likely to blind you, and that between those two and the recoil, your chance of a follow-up shot is really poor.

Using any long gun indoors- They're much easier for someone to take away, much harder for you to manuever around with and keep pointed a useful direction, and will probably overpenetrate at indoor distances (the last doesn't pertain to the shotgun).

It's going to be messier than a handgun- especially if you miss.

Anyway, I trust this guy and have never gone wrong following his advice, so I thought I'd pass it along. Note: This doesn't mean I don't have a shotgun (and an AR) where I can get to them if somehow I end up in a damn war, they're just not my first grab.
 
MVF said:
I have to agree with the .357 crowd. My first gun (which, at the time, I thought might be my only gun) was a Ruger GP100 with a 4" barrel. It's totally dependable, ridiculously more accurate than I ever would have expected, and relatively easy to shoot. It's still one of my "go to" defense guns (the others are a 1911 and a little Smith with a laser grip).

About the shotgun being the most popular home defense weapon- well, it probably is, but according to guy I've been lucky enough to know, it shouldn't be. I'm not going to give this guy's resume, but he's been there and done that, and been a trainer. Here's what he told me to think about before using a shotgun for home defense:

Are you willing to lose your hearing? Or do you think you're going to put in your ear protection? Think about a shotgun going off in a hallway or even a small room. He also said the muzzleblast is likely to blind you, and that between those two and the recoil, your chance of a follow-up shot is really poor.

Using any long gun indoors- They're much easier for someone to take away, much harder for you to manuever around with and keep pointed a useful direction, and will probably overpenetrate at indoor distances (the last doesn't pertain to the shotgun).

It's going to be messier than a handgun- especially if you miss.

Anyway, I trust this guy and have never gone wrong following his advice, so I thought I'd pass it along. Note: This doesn't mean I don't have a shotgun (and an AR) where I can get to them if somehow I end up in a damn war, they're just not my first grab.
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This information is a little off. The maximum chamber pressure from a 357 is about 3x that of a 12 Ga. The 38 special about 2x. The extra 4-8" distance from the muzzle of a shotgun makes a difference. In a hallway, all three will cause damage to your hearing. The muzzle blast I have experienced from a 20" 12 ga. OO buck has been less than that I experienced with my .45 acp. I have difficulty thinking that the blast/flash from a 12 ga would be worse than one from a 4" 357 magnum.
 
For home defense get yourself a short-barrel 12-gauge shotgun, and load it with 2 & 3/4" 00 buckshot. Here is my Remington custom 870:

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