Gun Recomendation

Nice. A Ruger Security Six is another great deal for a six-shooter. I had years ago in .357 and still regret selling it to a friend of mine.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/ruger_security_six.htm

S&W M13. Returned from Canada. K frame 4" .357 Mag. Only thing done to it was replacing the bobbed hammer and a simple trigger job. Cost me a grand total of $165 (excepting the grips pictured) about seven - nine years ago. Friend knew I was interested in it and sold it to me for what he had into it. I then stopped carrying a M1911A1 and started carrying this. Carry it OC and CC in the same holster, an old Mitch Rosen pancake I bought from Dillon Precision years ago for a M10.

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Oh yes....revolvers, AR15's, shotguns....all horrible for females...

this one's first time shooting it. she's so horrible, I want to cry:

[video=youtube;Lfj0Y296YB8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lfj0Y296YB8[/video]
I realize it's her first time, but train her on her grip and then to not change her grip every shot.
 
...and there are newly hired women on my department that can out shoot the instructors who have been teaching for YEARS.


You are a chauvinistic piece-of-work and before you start trampling on what you think women can and can't do, why don't you get some experience with them first?

And on a similar note, I've found, that all things being equal, women are much easier to train because for the most part they have nothing to prove but simply want to learn and to train.

Many men on the other hand often resist learning and the training because they either think they already know everything or feel like they must prove it. Since in 20 years as an instructor I've never put a dime in my own pocket for teaching I usually just ask those men bluntly something along the lines of "if you aren't here to learn or if you feel you already know everything so can learn nothing more, why did you sign up for this instruction?" That usually shuts them up at least so the others can more enjoy the instruction a get more out of it.

I've run/participated in female only training events too simply because some women are intimidated by the attitudes of men described above or just don't want to put up with their BS. I often prefer to train females.
 
And on a similar note, I've found, that all things being equal, women are much easier to train because for the most part they have nothing to prove but simply want to learn and to train.

Many men on the other hand often resist learning and the training because they either think they already know everything or feel like they must prove it. Since in 20 years as an instructor I've never put a dime in my own pocket for teaching I usually just ask those men bluntly something along the lines of "if you aren't here to learn or if you feel you already know everything so can learn nothing more, why did you sign up for this instruction?" That usually shuts them up at least so the others can more enjoy the instruction a get more out of it.

I've run/participated in female only training events too simply because some women are intimidated by the attitudes of men described above or just don't want to put up with their BS. I often prefer to train females.

Oh I agree [with both posts] and that [statement about grip] comes with more practice. For her first time out with that firearm [as it seems] she's not all that bad....and she's hitting the vital areas she's aiming for. Slow and methodical to get used to the firearm and then increase speed skills later.

Not only do they have 'noting to prove' - It's been said that their metabolism allows them to control their bodily functions better than men.

...and I agree about women feeling intimidated on their first trip out. That is a combination of things to include, media bias and 'programming': the slow/methodical 'conditioning' against gun violence...etc, etc...
 
Slow and methodical to get used to the firearm and then increase speed skills later.

ANOTHER BINGO! Speed will come. Focus on fundamentals. Speed means squat if you don't nail the fundamentals.

Not only do they have 'noting to prove' - It's been said that their metabolism allows them to control their bodily functions better than men.
Precisely why women often make better SCUBA divers by often getting longer safe dives from equivalent air coupled with better metabolism and better, more efficient, and smoother movement.
 
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Go full size, g36, xds, cz75. I don't see why she needs to go single stack at all.
 
The woman will likely never train or practice. She will also fail to correctly store the weapon that she will not be proficient in the use of.

Have her get a full size 9mm with 20 rounds loaded in it at all times and make her think harder about where she stashes the gun in her bedroom to minimize being found by a burglar while still being accessible to her while home.

You can't force wisdom to people that want instant gratification without any education.
 
Chiappa Rhino

It's small enough to carry and is a 357. Due to the design, there is very little kickback. As a revolver, she won't have to worry about limp wristing or stove pipes or a safety. If that's not enough, it's cool in a Bladerunner sort of way.
 
I like revolvers as much as the next guy, but as a primary home defense handgun I wouldn't want to limit myself to 6 rounds or so before a reload.

Chances are if a break in occurs, it's usually not a solo mission. I want more capacity when more than likely I would be dealing with a few possibly doped up, possibly armed intruders.

With that said, an M&P or a Glock in 9 mm is a good start and then maybe a 38 revolver for the car or back up.

That'll be a good start and eventually she could move to something like a 45 and a 12 gauge for the home.
 
Huh? I guess we just know different women.

Both the NRA and Brady Campaign have demonstrated the likely reality and not the statistical irrelevant anecdotes of the one or two aberrant females you have encountered in the parking lots of gun shows and Klan rallies.
 
Both the NRA and Brady Campaign have demonstrated the likely reality and not the statistical irrelevant anecdotes of the one or two aberrant females you have encountered in the parking lots of gun shows and Klan rallies.
Just more BS.

The NRA and NSSF know the fastest growing segment of the shooting public is women. Even the media outlets who look into to the situation, know it too.

Take your blinders off, open your eyes, ditch your both ignorance and prejudices of the situation, and look at today's reality, then try again.
 
Just more BS.

The NRA and NSSF know the fastest growing segment of the shooting public is women. Even the media outlets who look into to the situation, know it too.

Take your blinders off, open your eyes, ditch your both ignorance and prejudices of the situation, and look at today's reality, then try again.

Agreed. The latest 3-5 year trend for gun manufacturers creating "pink" firearms isn't [necessarily] for "feminine" men. [That's not a dig or flame....I'm just unsure of how to describe it].
 
Hey Guys, I am helping a female adult (teacher and mother of two) pick out her first firearm. She has taken a basic safety course and will be furthering her training from there. Her primary concern is home defense. Her two other uses will be range use for practice and she wants to have the ability to carry/conceal it even though she doesn't plan to often (that is the kicker).

In the past for females, I recommend a snub nose revolver for carry due to the simplicity of mechanical manipulation and the fact that it tends to be less intimidating to beginners. For home defense, I usually recommend that smaller females use a 20 gauge shotgun. But since this situation requires only one firearm with the primary purpose being home defense but also requires the ability to conceal on occasion, I find myself unsure. I am leaning towards a revolver but slightly larger than a snubby... Like a 3 or 4 inch barrel or something.

What are your thoughts, advice and/or Recomendations? Please don't say buy two guns or choose either home defense or carry. That is obvious for those that can but let's try and work with in her perimeters. Thanks.

As a few others have recommended, let her try a lot of different pistols and see which she likes best. Let her decide, not you.

Snub nose revolvers are hard to fire accurately for anyone, and are never a good first pistol for anyone.

Odds are she will do best with a mid-sized auto with a smaller grip. Kahr, FN, S&W M&P, Gen 4 Glocks, and the Ruger auto have slimmer grips, and are easier to control and fire accurately than a snubby.

Have her try all of those before making a final decision.

A 20 gauge for home defense is a very good suggestion, but a semi-auto, not a pump.

Again, bottom line, take her to a range that rents or demos pistols and let her pick which one she likes, not you. Comfort and control during the trigger pull and while under recoil are critical.

If she is going to bank protecting her life, as well as that of her family, view the expenditure as an investment. This is a place that makes sense to spend money on the pistol, plenty of ammo for practice, and some periodic instruction by an experienced and qualified instructor.

Shot placement is far more important than power, and good shot placement comes from lots of practice, good form, and good control.

During extreme stress, a person's performance does not rise, but drops to the level of their training.

Shooting an occasional IDPA match will bring some reality checks and up her skill level and confidence significantly.

fwiw - my wife tried about 15 different pistols, and she picked two that she liked and shot very well. She is extremely and equally capable with either a Glock 19 and/or Les Baer 1911 with 200 grain ammo. She actually prefers the 1911, but finds it too heavy to carry, so the G19 is her first choice.

Once she finds the pistol that she likes, try different ammo in it as they can have very different recoil characteristics and accuracy, so try several different kinds.

For practice, I highly recommend buying her a Ruger 22 Mark III. Ammo is cheap and she can really learn to master trigger control without being afraid of the recoil. It takes several thousand shots to really build muscle memory. In reality, very few men commit to the practice really needed to obtain proficiency.

In practice, once they are tired, stop, do not push them any more.

I've run/participated in female only training events too simply because some women are intimidated by the attitudes of men described above or just don't want to put up with their BS. I often prefer to train females.

Absolutely.

Here is a young lady I taught to shoot a rifle last year, when her dad hired me to give her private lessons so she could go deer hunting with him - at her request. This was her final challenge in the lessons to really show her what she could do. I knew she could do it, I just had to convince her. 200 yards with a 308, with the last two rounds of ammo left and she nailed it with a fair amount of wind also.

 
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